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Hard News: Mt Eden: Not a closing but an opening

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  • Ian Dalziel,

    This dormant volcano climb thing is all well and good but hardly helps the local economy...
    - How much does it cost to take the lift to the top of the SkyTower©?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7848 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    30-40 minutes from dinosaur trees!!!

    I still remember the first person who said this - we had taken her to the Cascades Kauri walk to show off our bush (It's on the way to Bethells beach Mike :)). She looked at the podocarps and shouted "dinosaur trees!" which is of course exactly what much of our bush is. I had just grown up with them and never thought of them as the same trees dinosaurs ate when they stomped around.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4445 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Russell Brown,

    It could have an awesome view. The sports field in the crater up there is quite bizarre, although it's no worse a use than many. I just don't get what's so marvelous about the pohutukawa forest blocking all the view at the top. Of all the places that we can and already do have pohutukawa stands, it's basically the worst possible choice.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10616 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Such an iconic view of Auckland. Cars, smog, you can almost taste the future.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Such an iconic view of Auckland. Cars, smog, you can almost taste the future.

    Actually the universal response of visitors we take up there is
    "it's so green"
    "the air is so clear"

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4445 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Barry, in reply to Gareth Swain,

    There are many (mainly Asian) tourists walking up from their tourist buses, they look a bit anxious at the bottom but sure enjoy it at the top. I think it is a much better tourist experience, well in summer anyway.
    Russell, have to agree with you the place is transformed without cars and is a treasure so close to the CBD.
    Really not sure what the answer is for those who can’t easily walk. I think what has been done with a disabled access code is probably the best solution until some entrepreneurial student comes up with a rickshaw option!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 13 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to BenWilson,

    Of all the places that we can and already do have pohutukawa stands, it’s basically the worst possible choice.

    You're absolutely right. But, um, good luck with that ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22712 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    Agreed. But Mt Eden gives better views of the city (we can usually pick out their hotel) and Rangitoto.

    Mt Eden is also the highest point on the isthmus.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22712 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    Actually the universal response of visitors we take up there is
    “it’s so green”
    “the air is so clear”

    Rich was specifically addressing Pippa Coom's photo, in which the carpark looks like ... a very crowded carpark.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22712 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Russell Brown,

    James Littlewood*:

    Then a representative of Ngati Whatua (an iwi I have close personal ties with) accosts us.

    Russell:

    Mt Eden is also the highest point on the isthmus.

    Are there any local cultural issues with actually standing on the top of Mount Eden generally, despite that everyone probably does it?

    People standing on top of Mount Taranaki have triggered some complaints from local iwi in recent years (example). I expect the offence has probably always been there but the conflict is really only surfacing lately with highly publicised events like groups hauling up barbecues and trampolines, or reports about excessive impact near the summit.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • Philip Bendall, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Maybe it can......but I'm struggling to get a handle on just how a crater made of volcanic rock can get destroyed by human feet (or sports shoes, for that matter) stepping up and down its slopes. Maybe if *everyone* climbed down into that steep, deep hole then the grass and soil might get eroded, but could the rock crater really get destroyed???

    Auckland • Since Feb 2016 • 1 posts Report Reply

  • FletcherB,

    I'm pretty sure I made the descent into the crater (and climb back out) on my first or second visit as a teenager, way back in the early '80s before it was suggested to be a bad idea for either cultural respect or geographic conservation reasons...

    Does anyone else recall the old mechanical cash register in there? It's long gone now, but stayed for many years to my recall.. presumably thrown from the top as a lark, and not removed for considerable time due to it's weight and the difficulty of the slope? I'm sure I saw it at least ten times, only visiting a few times a year?

    West Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 887 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Philip Bendall,

    silk slapping aeons...

    Maybe if everyone climbed down into that steep, deep hole then the grass and soil might get eroded, but could the rock crater really get destroyed???

    Give 'em an inch (or a second) and they'll take a kalpa!

    Imagine a gigantic rocky mountain at the beginning of kalpa, approximately 16 x 16 x 16 miles (dwarfing Mount Everest). You take a small piece of silk and wipe the mountain once every 100 years. According to the Buddha, the mountain will be completely depleted even before the kalpa ends.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7848 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to FletcherB,

    cache register...

    Does anyone else recall the old mechanical cash register in there? ...
    I’m sure I saw it at least ten times, only visiting a few times a year?

    Ring up the changes, yet there is no accounting for the passage of time...
    Till-death us do part -

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7848 posts Report Reply

  • william blake,

    Ian your puns are catching.

    Since Mar 2010 • 377 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to william blake,

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    :- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7848 posts Report Reply

  • Carol Stewart, in reply to Philip Bendall,

    Maybe if *everyone* climbed down into that steep, deep hole then the grass and soil might get eroded, but could the rock crater really get destroyed

    It's a scoria cone, Philip. Basically a big pile of basaltic tephra (fragments of magma thrown out during eruptions). Many of Auckland's scoria cones have been damaged by quarrying for construction materials, which is why it is so important to preserve the remaining ones.

    Wellington • Since Jul 2008 • 821 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Light Metal
    DIY volcanic cones
    or a city going down the drainage....
    :- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7848 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Russell Brown,

    But, um, good luck with that …

    Yeah, I don't expect change. I just voice my opinion on what is good, in balance. With Mt Eden, the balance is that something was added as something was taken away, and what was taken away was something I used to use a lot. I very much doubt that was was added (basically a cleared carpark) will outweigh what was lost (many future visits to this site). Similarly with Mt Albert, the admittedly pleasant walk beside some native tress is stacked against the 50% loss of something spectacular, and I find it wanting in the calculation.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10616 posts Report Reply

  • william blake,

    http://blogs.library.auckland.ac.nz/nicai/archive/2012/06/13/Solar-Plexus.aspx

    I remember the first Solar Plexus on Maungawhau in the mid 80's, I spent the day on the summit of Mt Donald McLean, the highest point in the Waitakere ranges, painting sun shadows, which would be smeared and erased by the mid winter squalls. I listened to some of the day long drumming broadcast by Bfm, on a wee transistor radio.

    Since Mar 2010 • 377 posts Report Reply

  • Andre,

    We're lucky that Fletchers didn't dream up a plan to plant 1500 homes on the volcano, or the government may have had to intervene on their behalf to help the destruction in the face of protests by local residents - like they did with Three Kings last week.

    New Zealand • Since May 2009 • 349 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to BenWilson,

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    For some reason I felt compelled to provide an illustration of your point about the (non) view from Albert.

    So here's a pic looking northwest from the tihi.

    To get there I had to ride my bike up that bastard hill then have a breather before ascending the steps. It's such a different, and less pleasant, experience from Mt Eden. I know busting a gut is good sometimes, but ....

    Y U MAKE ME DO THIS BEN?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22712 posts Report Reply

  • Allan MacLachlan, in reply to Russell Brown,

    I know busting a gut is good sometimes, but ….

    May I then suggest you not cycle to check out my suggestion of Pukematekeo - go with the aid of an internal combustion engine. The climb from Scenic Drive is a gut buster, even taking into consideration that all of Scenic Drive is gut-busting.

    Auckland • Since May 2007 • 17 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Y U MAKE ME DO THIS BEN?

    In my defense, you could have driven, like what you used to be able to do at Mt Eden.

    Yeah, it's a killer climb, particularly the on-road bits before you get to the gate. Summit drive pretty much goes straight up the side. You can come down it pretty fast.

    The south view is good, and the north view can be seen from lower altitude from various spots along the road. The top could be amazing. Mt Eden would still be better, though, because of where it is, not to mention the stunning crater, which would NOT be improved by being full of pohutukawa, however natural that might be.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10616 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to BenWilson,

    You can come down it pretty fast.

    works well in a car too - just look ahead the whole length

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19633 posts Report Reply

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