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  • Richard Grevers,

    It is bizarrely ironic that at the same time Little was being announced as leader, 40 EPMU members in his home town were being laid off

    New Plymouth • Since Jul 2011 • 143 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Oh. Now I see. If Little squeaks in it is bad. If one more caucus vote had had gone to Robertson then would have been Ok for Grant to squeak in but not Andrew.

    Labour will often face the problem under its current system of having leaders appointed who don't have the majority support of caucus. It's more democractic (except I hate the fact that unions are involved, it should be just caucus and members - unions shouldn't sign up to political parties in this day and age).

    So the wider party/unions have elected Little over the will of the majority of the caucus. That's a difficult situation to be in. The reverse doesn't apply so much - if Robertson had sneaked in, he'd be working with MPs who largely supported him, it's not such a massive problem if the unions voted for someone else.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to BenWilson,

    Wow, he’s talking UBI. Now I officially actually like him.

    And Tolley is looking at superannuation. Will be interesting if she wants to raise the age. Let her get kudos for that I say . MSD needs to save a bundle
    Just hope she doesn't do a buster Bennet on beneficiaries.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen, in reply to Seriatim,

    I’d hoped for a post here to throw some light on Russell Brown’s comment that the result seems “disastrous … for the prospects of the centre-left”. How is having a strong base with unions and Maori damaging for the projects of the ‘centre-left’? Who then is the ‘centre-left’ , and what are these ‘prospects’ which have been so tragically annihilated?

    The problem I have, and I don't speak for Russell, is that Cunliffe purportedly had exactly the same backing of the unions and the party. Yet under his leadership Labour lost the party vote in safe Labour electorates and turned in a pathetic election result.

    As someone who is somewhat afraid of what an unopposed National government will do to this country in the next three years I'm concerned that Little will not garner the support of the voting public sufficiently to prevent another National dictatorship in the next election.

    That's why I feel the way I do about the result. I recognise that there is a significant group who strongly believe that all you need to win an election is the union and Maori vote. That group is very happy with the result.

    For what it's worth I hope I'm wrong, but everything I've heard about Little suggests the next election will go very similarly to the one just past.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4451 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Deborah,

    Less than 24 hours after the result of our leadership election has been announced? I think it’s okay to keep on talking it over for a few days.

    It's not that they're talking, it's the way they're talking...

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2930 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    Cunliffe purportedly had exactly the same backing of the unions and the party. Yet under his leadership Labour lost the party vote in safe Labour electorates and turned in a pathetic election result.

    I don't think there is an Anyone But Little party, though. It would seem that Cunliffe had serious personal antagonism issues with a great deal of the leadership. This isn't Cunliffe 2.0 yet. For starters, the guy has 3 years to do his business. But unlike Shearer in the same position, he looks good to go, rather than someone direly in need of media training, pronto.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10641 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to BenWilson,

    Wow, he’s talking UBI. Now I officially actually like him.

    Yes, nice to hear him mention Gareth Morgan and the Big Kahuna - it shows he doesn't just discount radical ideas in favour of the safer status quo.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Dean Wallis,

    “What we won’t be doing is what he has done now for so long, which is give the appearance of a happy-go-lucky chappy but run the vilest, nastiest smear machine we have ever seen in New Zealand politics. We will be calling him out on that.”

    BAM! PROVE THAT ONE DEFINITION OF INSANITY IS DOING THE SAME OLD SHIT AND EXPECTING A DIFFERENT RESULT!

    National would be foolish to make the same mistake with Little that Labour did with Key, but the smartest thing he could do is sharpen up and focus. Especially when the last week or two hasn't exactly been bereft of low-hanging fruit for the Opposition -- Roger Sutton, the very bad look of Air New Zealand dumping regional services after boasting a $250 million profit (and a special dividend to its shareholders, including the Government), and that convicted murderer/child abuser who came horribly close to becoming New Zealand's answer to Ronnie Briggs.

    Those aren't only things people DO care about, but which really need an Opposition who is doing its damn job.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Grant McDougall, in reply to BenWilson,

    Wow, he’s talking UBI. Now I officially actually like him.

    What's "UBI" please ?

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2006 • 759 posts Report Reply

  • Northshoreguynz,

    Universal Basic Income.
    http://www.bigkahuna.org.nz/

    New Zealand • Since Aug 2014 • 16 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Grant McDougall,

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Ianmac,

    Andrew Little has said that the raising of Super Age and the CGT were good ideas but too many such policies were offered to the electorate during the election. Therefore fewer policies - for now. CGT and Super will still on the agenda.
    And a big hooray for the UBI which should have been discussed by everyone much more when Gareth published the book Bigkahuna. If Andrew can get that in the discussion pages that would be a great effort. (Sadly it would just about wipe out the Social Welfare Department. How sad.)

    Bleneim • Since Aug 2008 • 135 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    the penicillin is mightier
    than the sward

    There's mould in them there pills....

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Ianmac,

    (Sadly it would just about wipe out the Social Welfare Department. How sad.)

    Yes, to my mind, its most redeeming quality! Additionally as Gareth commented when speaking on it to the NZ Society of Accountants - they too would (largely) be out of a job - were his proposal of CCT implemented.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    Paddy Gower has thought out loud that the unions are wagging the Labour dog.

    I then tweeted a fair bit of stuff about trade unions and conspiracy theories, in particular about Henry Ford’s anti-Semitic beliefs about unions being a ’Jewish conspiracy’.

    Gower immediately favourited and retweeted all of them. If he does irony and satire, all good… if not, then start reaching for your brown pants.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5420 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens,

    I am just listening to Little on Radio NZ climbing into SSC and the Ian Rennie/Roger Sutton cover-up.

    After six long years, we finally have a decent opposition leader.

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2213 posts Report Reply

  • Seriatim, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    Thanks for that. I am not part of the group who 'strongly believe that all you need to win an election is the union and Maori vote", and feel sure that he will broaden his support - particularly if he continues as he has started today. Talk about hit the ground running. A great interview this morning and ave just listened to his eloquent, impassioned rant about the appalling behaviour of Roger Sutton and his mates. Stirring!

    Wellington • Since Dec 2010 • 57 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Especially when the last week or two hasn’t exactly been bereft of low-hanging fruit for the Opposition – Roger Sutton

    That would be an abrupt and apparently opportunistic change of tack. If there’s been an unspoken bipartisan agreement to treat any issue as a no go area it’s Sutton’s role with CERA. Even Ruth Dyson appeared to go along with this, despite being caught up in Sutton’s blatantly dictatorial overreaching of his powers.

    Apart from her appreciation of Sutton’s apparently constructive engagement with the Council’s current CEO, Lianne Dalziel’s eulogy from early this week tapped once again into the reservoir of goodwill from Sutton’s post-quake glory days as CEO of Orion, something that’s been sadly squandered since he accepted the poison chalice of CERA.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    I am just listening to Little on Radio NZ

    Can anyone put that up. Sacha, thanks for this mornings. I have a packed up house and wouls appreciate listening.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Anthony Behrens,

    What a bunch of anti-union horse shit from the MSM and people who should know better. How about basing opinions of Andrew Little on some sort of experience of working with the guy?

    Here's my experience - for what its worth: I worked with him when I was a journalist delegate in the EPMU during a very unsettled period of labour relations. Andrew was cool - not hip - just calm, rational and inclusive. As delegates we were never bullied or manipulated by him and his team - he always came across as working for us in our best interests. His organisational skills were good - and best of all he always came across as honest. His ability to work with the most intransigent arseholes (my words not his) from the management side amazed me. He always understood that they had a business to run and that profit AND survival were their goals. He never seemed to take anything that was dished up to us all personally.

    Like John Key before him...a man that to me has no charisma...you might all be surprised by what he can do. Hell...even Paula Bennett has proved herself to be an awesome politician (unfortunately).

    Then again...I could be wrong...after all I'm just a unionist.

    Palmerston North • Since Mar 2012 • 8 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2213 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    And another thing. What's wrong with a Union. Unions help many who find it difficult to express themselves to superiors, just as was pointed out about the person who laid the complaint about Sutton in that fear seems to be amongst the Public service. Fear of losing a job. Unions are there for the people. For fair wages, for friggin tea breaks. We need them, to deal with zero hour contracts, a liveable wage, a voice for the people currently being undermined by this Nactional Government. What's wrong with a Union?
    I don't need one and I'm not Maori but I certainly feel comfortable having Unions represent the people. To think otherwise is just stingy.
    I'd also like to point out, We vote for Parties .Labour is a group of people all attempting to represent like minded people. All 4 contenders were in Labour because they believe in that Party. Surely now a leader is in place, the support by the other 3 should be a given or it will be seen as 3 who only wanted to be Leader and dam the rest of Labour. I also feel Parker has a forte in Finance and now he's not the Leader, it's a shame he doesn't consider the Partie's need for a good finance person next. It just seems sad. That was Clarke and Cullen's success. Good team work. One didn't want the other one's job. I think Little can organise Labour. I wish them the best.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    Ta

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Ben Clark 2, in reply to Andrew Geddis,

    That's not quite true Andrew.

    The *elected* executive of the union consult with members and then make a recommendation.

    Then the elected delegates of the Union Conference consult with their members locally and cast their votes taking all that into consideration.

    It may not be one member, one vote - rather union solidarity - But it's not some unelected executive providing a bloc of votes either.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2014 • 3 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Anthony Behrens,

    What a bunch of anti-union horse shit from the MSM and people who should know better. How about basing opinions of Andrew Little on some sort of experience of working with the guy?

    Oh you beat me to it and I haven’t even listened to anyone yet :)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

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