Hard News: Out of the Groove
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And having finally taken a peek at the Herald, I must give Mr Finn big ups for occasioning this proofthat chivalry isn't head, it just moves a little slower these days:
__Music veterans Sir Howard Morrison and Ray Columbus yesterday leaped to the defence of the Prime Minister, blasting Neil Finn for saying Helen Clark took undue credit for the success of the local music industry.
An emotional Sir Howard contacted the Herald yesterday, saying: "I'm so bloody mad."
And Columbus weighed in, saying: "In my book she can take as much credit as she likes."
Sir Howard said Helen Clark had consistently supported the New Zealand music industry, which is more than could be said for Finn.
"What's really got up my nose is, here's a guy that had his last farewell in front of a free audience in Sydney. He's never done one of those in New Zealand.
"He doesn't volunteer when asked to do things. To my knowledge, he's been asked and just flatly refused."__
Coming from someone I've seen with my own eyes pulling a prima donna act that would make Dames Kiri and Malvina blush it's a little bloody rich. And if he wants to come over all Colonol Blimpish, he needs to be reminded how many Maori showbands ended up working the circuit in Oz because there just wan't any interest at home.
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For 12 months, detailed business plan must be submitted, accounted up the wazoo. It's not really a handout.
heh heh. I did one of those in the late 80's at Sue Bradfords People Centre. I think her husband might have signed off on it. Sadly after 12 months my small business consultancy failed to make a profit ...
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Actually, while I wait for the taxi, I should note that the CD that comes with the controversial Real Groove - 'Awesome Feeling: Real Groove's Sound of Young New Zealand 2007' - looks really good despite its very ugly title.
So So Modern, Collapsing Cities, Pig Out, Motocade, Teenwolf ... bands I want to hear.
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Actually, while I wait for the taxi...
Geez Louise, some of us are waaay behind this new technology thing.
I've only just got Broadband! -
..on the subject of music wikis, nzmusic.com finally launched theirs, in association with the new-look site.
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Coming from someone I've seen with my own eyes pulling a prima donna act that would make Dames Kiri and Malvina blush it's a little bloody rich.
the only time I met him was backstage at one of those horrendous Christmas in the park thingies. I was introduced, along with Paul Fuemama and I said "pleased to meet you, Howard" hand outstretched. He said, without offering a hand..."it's Sir Howard to you" and turned away.
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The most important radio station on the planet right now is a small coloured box made by Steve Jobs, Creative, Nokia and Sony-Ericsson, and we have just begun.
So true. my iPod has re-invigorated my love of music (Viagra for the jaded ears?). I've spent much more time and money on music since getting one. Currently on high rotate are Suzy Quatro, Kylie Minogue, Lucinda Williams and The Jesus and Mary Chain (but only because Scarlet sang with them at their reunion - Neil F should have thought of that).
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This is a very late reply, but...
The whole point is that Jon plays bemused everyperson (ie us) to their overblown idiocy.
Yeah, and I love it, but the 'bemused' part doesn't need to be rammed down our throats. Well, I'd just prefer a cocked eyebrow over his 'WHAAAAAA....?' thingies.
The correspondents are, scarily enough, almost exactly like those on the 'real' news, so their 'painfulness' has a bit of a satiric zing to it as well.
Yeah, they're spot on with the act. I just think they run so often that the occasional gold (was it Jason Jones in... Denmark?) is surrounded by a whole lot of semi-relevant stuff reported by people who compare poorly to Colbert - unfortunately he is nigh on impossible to beat!
a) I don't know what 'painfully American' even means in this context and b) there's really nothing wrong with slapstick. It's a maligned comedic art form
a) That referred to my original point to whoever spoke of him having great 'almost un-American' comedic stylings; and b) I just don't like slapstick. This is all just personal taste and I'm well-used to being in the minority on the issue! :)
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Yeah sorry Hamish/Heather - in my anfield glee I was way too eager to look for Everton fans...
FFS, carry on, don't mind me. As if it's not bad enough I have a 12 yr old son who's a Liverpool fan, now I have you walking in here showing me the hand. Was the 2006 FA Cup Final not enough for you, do you want my hubcaps too?
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Is it more than coincidence to find so many other Hammers here? A matter of taste, or something else?
1964 - FA Cupo
1965 - European Cup Winners Cup
1966 - World Cup (Hurst, Moore, Peters)
1975 - FA Cup
1980 - FA Cup
2006 - FA Cup (stolen)David Essex
Ray Winstone
Adrian SherwoodPirate Reggae
Punk RockPublic Address
West Ham
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Obvious, innit.
And as my wife says "persons of taste and refinement" Then she laughs uncontrollably????
One small omission is the cafe where Moore, Hurst, Peters and the other young blades used to meet to work out moves with the salt and pepper shakers. I can't quite remember the name but I think it starts with "S". It's in the Rough Guide to Football. -
Wasn't it Ken's Cafe on Green Street?
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Very tasty tinsel. I'll scout around and see what I can dig up.
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Speaking of NZ music wikis, there is already one for Hamilton - http://htown.elwiki.com - which is ridiculously extensive and informative.
wow, how very good this is, cheers for the link DanX
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Yes, I know it is weird but what is one going to do. This is the name of the cafe "Cassetteris" mentioned in a post on a football forum (which I do not hang out at)
The Rough Guide says that Moore and the others, including the young Malcolm Allison, used to go down there after practices and plot moves. Now as to where it fits into the continuum so adroitly mapped out by Peter, well I just don't know. -
(Standing back for a moment to consider the horizon).
Seems to be a recurring theme here.
Pondering how to encourage NZ music.
Pondering how to encourage artists.
Pondering how DRM should work.
Pondering how to encourage broadband.
Pondering how to encourage public transport.On a slightly different note, I got an email from Pandora (the music website...as opposed to Adrian Mole's gf) a couple of days ago indicating that as I'm not in the US, they are going to prevent me using their website because of licensing. That blows. I use Pandora to find new stuff to listen to and shock, horror, gasp I've then actually purchased music online because of Pandora's picks for me. Oh well, guess if I can't sample the music online easily, then I'm going to have to to do something else....well done, big tick, A+ heavy-handed music industry DRM advocates.
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Is there any need for a national youth radio network in NZ? Doesn't the b-net cover it nicely?
I think Auckland is well served with bFM, George and all the community stations. The rest of the country isn't really. I've tried to find something good to listen to in Wellington and it isn't really there, surprisingly.
How much would an alternative music-based (I prefer that term to "youth") station cost if it was done outside RNZ cost structures and on a semi-volunteer basis? I reckon a million + transmission costs would cover a few professional broadcasters, admin staff, promotions, etc. Or is there a huge RIANZ licensing fee to pay?
Russell - you must know?
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as I'm not in the US, they are going to prevent me using their website because of licensing
I'm thinking more and more that some sort of service that lets you choose where you access the net from would work. (If you work for a global company you may have seen something like this this already - when you VPN to an overseas based office, your regionally targeted advertising changes).
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How much would an alternative music-based (I prefer that term to "youth") station cost
I think the point is that it's free of commercial forces as much as possible. Remember the Bnet stations are commercial radio stations. they have full time staff who derive their income from the sale of advertising.
This wasn't the case some 25 ears ago when the bnets were university radio clubs staffed and funded entirely by volunteers. (and there are still volunteer components of those stations now, specialist shows etc)
When commerce comes into the equation then things start to get dirty. Decisions get made not based on merit but based on potential to create advertising revenue.
The youth radio network (or alternative network if you like) would like the BBC provide an art for artsake side step of those forces. That's something worth considering in this over commodified world. -
And back to the original point re Neil Finns comment about Helen Clark taking credit, he does have a point if he was referring to nz on air taking credit for the decline in cultural cringe when the phrase New Zealand is placed in front of an art form.
NZ on Air better back that up with flow diagrams showing how their funding of certain acts has created a positive response, cos last time I checked ( and I check very regularly) there were a large number of other forces that bought about that change, and NZ on Air was way down on the list.
Helen Clark can however take pride in our music, just like anyone else and I think that's perhaps what she was doing. As someone else mentioned in a very John Stewart way, prior to Labour celebrating and supporting NZ music art consisted of photographing an artist with some all blacks. I think Labour's intent is good, and that is directly related to Helen Clark, but that intent has been severely diluted by less than music savvy drones. It's been a long time since a discerning music taste master has been anywhere near the process.
Finns point is well made, but perhaps not quite specific enough.
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and there are still volunteer components of those stations now, specialist shows etc
My impression, and I may be totally off-beam here, was that bFM only had the one paid presenter (Mikey Havoc) and the rest were all volunteers?
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all the admin, managerial, programming advertising, production people are paid, don't know about on air. key slot members will be.
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In the sub thread:
Is the day of salvation at hand? -
Peter said "As if it's not bad enough I have a 12 yr old son who's a Liverpool fan, now I have you walking in here showing me the hand. Was the 2006 FA Cup Final not enough for you, do you want my hubcaps too?"
Heh - that would be 'Gerrards Final'. Your son has immaculate taste by the way.
Why so many Hammers fans here? - My view from 'oop north' is that Hammers fans are usually either football purists, incurable romantics, east London wide boys, or blessed with a stoic nature able to withstand enormous disappointment for the brief taste of glory. Great result against Bolton - they could do it.
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And back to the original point re Neil Finns comment about Helen Clark taking credit, he does have a point if he was referring to nz on air taking credit for the decline in cultural cringe when the phrase New Zealand is placed in front of an art form.
She can take as much credit as she wants, she, and her government are the first arts friendly government in my lifetime....I don't agree with the detail of where we are now but without Labour there simply would be no NZ music on the commercial radio now full stop. It's the detail that needs to be addressed.
And the collapse in sales of NZ music in recent times strikes me as a positive correction....largely it's scared the majors away from process, a little burnt, and pushed the control back into the hands of the indies, which is the global experience too.....I received the NZ Hit Disc (93) today and the interesting things on it are all, without exception, from indies, some distributed by majors, but all locally A&Red by independents....
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