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Hard News: So far from trivial

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  • Russell Brown,

    but you've obviously got time on your hands, I thought I was doing you a favour, helping you pass the time.

    Rob, could you possibly look for a middle ground between needling other participants and having a persecution complex?

    Arrggh ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22850 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Don't know if this is a result of the Veitch thing or not, but over the last few weeks people at my current place of employment (which shall remain nameless) have been coming out with stories of violence between partners, parents and children which would make your blood run cold. One coworker spoke to me for a full twenty minutes at lunch, after which I had to take a sit down just to try and get my head straight again. I mean, faaark.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1611 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark,

    I'm very aware that this thread has carried an emotional charge that most don't.

    Yes. I'm not quite sure why I was so enraged by this case. Tears pouring down face enraged, actually. And I've never been abused in a relationship. So I can only imagine how those amongst us who have survived such domestic arrangements must be feeling.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • LegBreak,

    I'm not quite sure why I was so enraged by this case

    My guess is that it was due to the public statements of regret afterwards that seemed so devoid of any … regret.


    Well that’s the bit that got me anyway.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1162 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    Rob, could you possibly look for a middle ground between needling other participants and having a persecution complex?

    sure, if you can try and read an element of good natured humor into at least some of my posts. I've been pretty forgiving about some fairly dubious comments in my direction don't you think. I haven't seen you jumping in then (nor do I expect you to, not your job).

    nobody can be as highly strung as you're reading me, therefore it is reasonable to assume i'm not.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Yamis,

    My guess is that it was due to the public statements of regret afterwards that seemed so devoid of any … regret.

    Well that’s the bit that got me anyway.

    ditto. We even expect teenagers to own up to what they have done to all those affected at restorative meetings in schools.

    We don't let them get away with walking sideways around what they did and kicking things off with "but...". So it's not unfair to expect a grown adult to own up unconditionally.

    But I have faith that the court system will do it's job in this case. It better or things could really blow the f up.

    Since Nov 2006 • 903 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Rob, I find myself reading you as autistic by now, which is why I've probably been more forgiving than I would usually be. I just don't have the patience to go through every word time and time again in the hope that it has sunk in this time. Not sure about how Russell sees you.

    Anyway, my patience is over. Learn how to have a reasonable conversation with some logic and some feeling and we'll be OK. Persist in not paying attention to what other people are saying and you will be better off finding somewhere else to parade your ignorance.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Art and my life,

    Just it going to court passes the "justice takes its course" for me.

    I agree but it hasn't got there yet...

    I have been watching this thread and the whole issue has been "triggering" for me. I think Vietch not appearing to take responsibility has been one of the worst parts (few offenders of this type do) and the excuses....well to me its never ok.

    I have actually unsubscribed to a few blogs over their coverage of this.

    Since May 2008 • 10 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    I just don't have the patience to go through every word time and time again in the hope that it has sunk in this time.

    patience or clarity. either or. what makes you think your words are gold and that others must let them sink in?
    I've noted a degree of bullying in your comments to me, to WH, and a few others, I'm not up for that. I've been pretty polite in addressing it, and I don't take lightly any inference your comments may make on me hence asking for clarification on what exactly you meant by his mornings comment. you weren't clear, are you forwarding the response 'if you don't know what I meant then I'm not going to tell you'?

    i'm not going to tell you to go elsewhere, you can do your bullying anywhere you like. don't expect me to like it, or respond to it in the usual fashion

    What's with the aggression anyway. taking aside your hatin' on me why attack WH for a small comment?

    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance -- it is the illusion of knowledge.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark,

    My guess is that it was due to the public statements of regret afterwards that seemed so devoid of any … regret.

    That was part of it. And Sacha? I agree with everything you said, and the way you said it. My tongue is bloody with the biting. Sometimes, however, brick walls are just that. Ignoring is good. Really.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    I have never yet sworn at another poster on a blog site - it's just not polite.

    I've noted a degree of bullying in your comments to me, to WH, and a few others, I'm not up for that.

    But sanctimonious comments like that bring me right to the brink. I am working so hard breathing through my mouth right now.

    Sacha, you're a champion. What position do you play in the PAS Women's XV?

    New Lynn • Since Nov 2006 • 1447 posts Report Reply

  • robbery,

    I thought sasha was a russian guy? but you're all a rugby team,
    I get it, you should have said, I would have saved my breath ages ago. burly bunch, known for their social etiquette and enlighten views or am I thinking of someone else?.
    the field is yours, knock yourself out.

    new zealand • Since May 2007 • 1882 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    I am not getting otherwise involved with robbery debates *at all* but may I say how much I appreciate the responses of Sacha, Deborah, Jackie & others? And how much I really hope that robbery's penultimate phrase is a promise for this thread? Kia ora tatou-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Yamis,

    I am not getting otherwise involved with robbery debates *at all* but may I say how much I appreciate the responses of Sacha, Deborah, Jackie & others? And how much I really hope that robbery's penultimate phrase is a promise for this thread? Kia ora tatou-

    The bolding of 'but' is mine. Sorry Islander, I couldn't resist, it seems appropriate for this thread. :)

    Since Nov 2006 • 903 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Yup, I take the point Yamis- 8>)

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Thanks for the support. I've been pondering about my role in this conversation, and it seems sensible to just say what I've realised even if it's a bit philospohical. Make of it what you will.

    I reckon that reading and contributing here is a good use of my limited time and I have done so since the bfm Hard News days. I expect a certain level of intelligent conversation here and others have noted that PAS can be an intimidating place no matter what our backgrounds are. I like that there is a high degree of respect for different viewpoints and experiences. People mostly behave themselves, including me I hope.

    I value the range of subject experts who visit PAS, and I expect to defer to them if I don’t know as much. I’m aware this place does not exist in a vacuum and all the usual considerations about social relationships, resources and power apply. Some forms of knowledge and some subject areas are valued less or more than others. That’s just the way it is, and this place is way better than most which is a deliberate decision on the part of our gracious host. It does annoy me when people act as if the world is a level playing field – but that’s just cos social justice is important to me, and I have a strong interest in social policy, media and cultural theory (gee I wonder what brought me here of all places).

    I can handle disagreement, and most here seem comfortable with that too. I am fine having to explain myself if I have been unclear.

    It does however bring out the worst in me (I readily admit) when a particular person seems to revel in repeated misunderstandings, and by doing so erodes the conventions, goodwill and trust that hold this place together. Because I value PAS, I take that seriously – and if my response feels like “bullying” to some then so be it.

    Rob, I like most of your contributions but please slow down and thoroughly read what others are writing before you leap to the reply button. It’s not that I reckon my words are gold, but it sure is not my job to spoon-feed you when others seem perfectly capable of following the same conversation. I apologise if my extra responsiveness in this thread has given you an impression that I deeply care whether you agree with me or not. I reassure you that no one is accusing you or any other PAS contributors of committing family violence. Just of not having enough respect for some well-informed viewpoints - and most of all, for the taonga you’re part of here.

    Finally, I was waiting all thread for someone to ask, Deborah – and Rob is in this instance correct that I’m not eligible for your team. Strong off-field supporter, is all.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    and it seems sensible to just say what I've realised even if it's a bit philospohical. Make of it what you will.

    That's a sweet bit of writing there Sacha. Tolerance and patience are the best attributes:)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    Finally, I was waiting all thread for someone to ask, Deborah – and Rob is in this instance correct that I’m not eligible for your team.

    But it's a very inclusive team, Sacha...

    My bad!

    New Lynn • Since Nov 2006 • 1447 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Hey, it's a common assumption which I've come to enjoy. No bad there.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19745 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Finally, I was waiting all thread for someone to ask, Deborah – and Rob is in this instance correct that I’m not eligible for your team. Strong off-field supporter, is all.

    Dammit. Now I feel the need to go re-read some of your posts and see if they come out in a different light.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    I feel the need to post in a relatively sane place.

    An acquaintance just posted the following in an ice hockey forum after I made a comment about two high school teams that had an all-in fight a few weeks ago. His post:

    We need to stop being wusses and embrace the fact that everyone has a beast inside them and hockey is a good safe environment in which to let it out in! If a parent doesn't want their child playing ice hockey because of a fight between to school teams at a low skill level then she can leave her kid in sunday school getting gayer day by day and eventually one of "those catholic ministers".

    The poster is not only a player, but a referee.

    Sports and the culture of violence within it is truly a different world. I do despair :(

    Since Nov 2006 • 6243 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Shit o dear- "embrace the fact that everyone has a beast inside them"

    _count my family OUT! Count almost all of my friends & their families OUT! Especially, COUNT ME OUT!

    What a truly horrifying statement from a so-called sportsperson.

    Most people have a wondering questing hopeful and innately kind inner being - it's the only good part of us:'us ' being humans evolved after nearly 4 billions of years of blood sport evolution: this shit is taking us back to the 'wars' between -o- mammals & reptiles...fuck o dear

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • WH,

    My guess is that it was due to the public statements of regret afterwards that seemed so devoid of any … regret.

    My understanding of the evidence in this area is that demeanour based assesments of credibility can be unreliable.

    http://www.lawlink.nsw.gov.au/lawlink/Supreme_Court/ll_sc.nsf/pages/SCO_mcclellan020806

    A US study published earlier this year noted that “the results of over 25 years of research on this topic show that lay knowledge of eyewitness behaviour is not only limited in scope but also highly inaccurate.

    Since Nov 2006 • 797 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    We were analysing his words and actions, not his 'demeanour'.

    Also, Kyle: 'leave her kid in Sunday school getting gayer by the day'. Wow. That's almost a hilarious pisstake of someone being a dick. Except it's serious.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    Wait, Sunday School makes you gay? For the first time ever I believe we have a lead on what my mother did wrong.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4651 posts Report Reply

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