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Hard News: So long, and thanks for all the fish ...

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  • Hebe, in reply to Deborah,

    It’s the anti-science / anti-evidence tendency of (some) Green poiicy that puts me off.

    Bad choice of example. Fluoridation is no bell-wether for any political party's policies; it's one of the issues that makes I (and many others who have worked in politics) duck when we hear it coming. It brings out the unhinged.

    When it comes to GMO's, I am not convinced either way. What I want is the choice to avoid GMO's in the food chain until their safety is proven. Is that so loony? Sounds if anything libertarian and freedom-like to me. Ditto my children's schooling: I totally resent the one-size-fits-all state education system when children have different needs and personalities from the get-go. My kids bloom in an integrated school (Steiner), whereas I know others who find their feet in an orthodox state high school or expensive private schools.

    My overall point is: each to their own; may we all have the freedom of choice to make such calls (dependent on our own circumstances).

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2895 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    If Key can manage not to have a cup of tea with Banks just before the election

    he's pretty thirsty, but

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Henry Barnard, in reply to Hebe,

    It brings out the unhinged.

    You mean something like this?

    Palmerston North • Since Aug 2013 • 65 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Henry Barnard,

    You mean something like this?

    Heh. Not far off. In a talkback (yeah, I know) Q & A I was monitoring for our client, a reasonably straight-up sounding woman got on to ask something relevant about potholes. All of a sudden she veered into, ” And what are you going to do about those Meeowyri birds that poop on my path?” “Er, um…” Big mistake that pause; she was off: “Them Meeowyri birds that poop. All over my path, all over my driveway, every day. I clean it up every day and still they don’t stop…”.[you get the picture. Talkback host and client apparently laughing so hard with the mikes off they can’t hit the mute for 20 seconds or so].

    Anyway fluoridation always brought out the "don't look in their eyes" brigade, as well as some reasonable people with sincere beliefs. Meeowyri birds to the power of ten.That's why I won't go there.

    What a digression .. from Shearer to Meeowyri birds. Threadjack guilty.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2895 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Hebe,

    My kids bloom in an integrated school (Steiner), whereas I know others who find their feet in an orthodox state high school or expensive private schools.

    I know others that have flourished at Steiner but I'd still add it to the expensive schools, Shame it cannot be funded like a public school.
    I do agree choice isn't "loony" and thoroughly support that too.I Suspect a lot of difficulty for the Greens to gain widespread support is because there a many people trying to make ends meet and although possibly ignorant, still cant see the wood for the trees. That's why I'd love the Greens to work with Labour and both parties concentrate on their strong parts.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Hebe,

    When it comes to GMO’s, I am not convinced either way. What I want is the choice to avoid GMO’s in the food chain until their safety is proven. Is that so loony? Sounds if anything libertarian and freedom-like to me.

    Not to me. Libertarian and freedom-like is to say you can just avoid buying it if you really have a problem with it, just like is the case with, say, inorganic pesticides, or the monocultural end-results of selective breeding like dominant our shelves already.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10633 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Jane Clifton speculates about caucus factional aspects of Labour's leaderhip contest.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Re Steiner and expensive schools: The Steiner schools up north are expensive. The Christchurch (integrated) school is $37 a week for two over-fives.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2895 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd, in reply to Sacha,

    Jane Clifton speculates about caucus factional aspects of Labour’s leaderhip contest.

    Clifton, Garner, Armstrong, Trevett, all that crew: they're paid to be entertaining and have opinions, not to be right.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    Clifton, Garner, Armstrong, Trevett, all that crew: they’re paid to be entertaining and have opinions, not to be right.

    And they listen to each other too much.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2895 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to BenWilson,

    Libertarian and freedom-like is to say you can just avoid buying it if you really have a problem with it

    I don't mind eating GMOs (I figure they can't be worse than all the artificial additives in processed food), but I would rather they aren't hurting the environment. This debate's been had here before and I'm not keen to reopen it, but my concern is ecological rather than personal.

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3887 posts Report Reply

  • Henry Barnard, in reply to Sacha,

    Jane Clifton speculates about caucus factional aspects of Labour’s leaderhip contest.

    Gordon Campbell discusses the `divisions' and, does a much better job of it. He also highlights the critical issue of the relationship with the Greens.

    Palmerston North • Since Aug 2013 • 65 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Hebe,

    Re Steiner and expensive schools: The Steiner schools up north are expensive. The Christchurch (integrated) school is $37 a week for two over-fives.

    Shit!

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    ? A lot or little?

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2895 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Hebe,

    Oh, my friend was forking out thousands.IIRC. His kids have loved their education there too.I think your fees are very reasonable.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    they're paid to be entertaining and have opinions, not to be right

    totally agree

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    So do I. We have looked into moving to Auckland for work reasons but found the far greater cost of housing near the schools and the fees for Steiner up there more than cancelled out the extra earning potential. I rather liked the idea of Titirangi and further west. Huia liked the idea of living in Huia Road at Huia.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2895 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Lilith __,

    I don’t mind eating GMOs (I figure they can’t be worse than all the artificial additives in processed food), but I would rather they aren’t hurting the environment.

    Which not a Libertarian position, is pretty much what I'm saying. They seldom consider externalities.

    This debate’s been had here before and I’m not keen to reopen it, but my concern is ecological rather than personal.

    Yup, it's not the time or place.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10633 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Henry Barnard,

    Gordon Campbell discusses the `divisions' and, does a much better job of it. He also highlights the critical issue of the relationship with the Greens.

    Thanks. A great article. This kind of touches on what I was saying upthread about indulgent behaviour:

    It is Shearer’s dismal legacy that the probable high point of his tenure as Leader of the Opposition came from confronting one of his own colleagues, rather than confronting the government.

    ...

    But for Labour, there are no risk free options – and if its caucus is so blind as to prefer losing the next election in order to spite David Cunliffe, then it will deserve all it gets.

    Unfortunately we all have an interest in seeing such childish petulance cease right now. No more pissing around.

    I'd also like to see the next Labour leader firmly punish anyone like Shane Jones who slags his party's natural coalition partner - or at least be honest enough to back him explicitly if that's what they also believe.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Henry Barnard, in reply to Sacha,

    I’d also like to see the next Labour leader firmly punish anyone like Shane Jones who slags his party’s natural coalition partner

    Exactly. Gordon has it right: Shearer only showed some spirit when dealing with a supposed `challenge' (largely manufactured) from Cunliffe, an easy target given the dynamics of caucus at that time. If he was going to confront any of his colleagues it should have been with the likes of Shane Jones. Let us hope that whoever is the new leader shows a bit more gumption.

    Palmerston North • Since Aug 2013 • 65 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to Sacha,

    I’d also like to see the next Labour leader firmly punish anyone like Shane Jones who slags his party’s natural coalition partner

    I think that's what Campbell was getting at here:

    One way the new leader has to signal a break with Labour’s dithering recent past will be reflected in how it engages with the Greens in general and Russel Norman in particular.

    Well, yes. And Mana and the Maori Party, too. In fact, I would quite like to see those four parties sitting down for a few cups of tea next election season, they seem to bring a lot of potential complementarity. But yes, Labour certainly needs to ditch some of its old attitudes to the other three.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    One way the new leader has to signal a break with Labour’s dithering recent past will be reflected in how it engages with the Greens in general and Russel Norman in particular.

    Yes, because the new Greens are starting to turn blue.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4306 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Stephen Judd,

    Peace :-)

    That Gordon Campbell piece is very good IMHO.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2895 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Just enjoyed a blast from the past, looking back to when Shearer got selected. It's a dramatic thread, with multiple flounces, earnest discussion, communal self-appraisal, lurkers drawn in. Classic PAS, made me feel almost 2 years younger, like an angry 39-year-old rather than the wise old 40 something I am now.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10633 posts Report Reply

  • Samuel Scott, in reply to Kyle Matthews,

    I can’t comment on his tree chopping abilities

    He has been known to help out with the xmas tree sales at the Aro Valley Community Centre.

    South Wellington • Since Feb 2008 • 315 posts Report Reply

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