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Muse: Hey Greg O'Connor, Krup You!

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  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Danielle,

    one of my friends was once thrown in jail for the night for saying “I smell pork”

    Many years ago, when McD's were doing their McRib burger, colleagues of mine came out of the drive-thru at Greenlane to be accosted by a couple of rather irate officers who'd been at the payment window as my oblivious-to-their-presence co-worker was captured over the order mic saying "I smell pork."

    The explanation (well d'uh! Of course they smelled pork!) was accepted, but from accounts they were a somewhat unpleasant few minutes.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Am I the only one muttering “Harden the fuck up, soft cocks”? If these charges get thrown out, I'd also like to see the officers concerned charged with wasting police time (and ordered to pay costs) because no matter how paradisical Tauranga is, surely the courts and constabulary have better things that need doing?

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I'd also like to see the officers concerned charged with wasting police time (and ordered to pay costs) because no matter how paradisical Tauranga is, surely the courts and constabulary have better things that need doing?

    Does that ever happen? I think a talking to from their bosses is the most that could realistically be hoped for.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Am I the only one muttering “Harden the fuck up, soft cocks”?

    And then the pot said to the kettle, "you're black!" Seems those who dissed hate-speech law as PC gone mad see fit to invoke it when it suits them.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5439 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to BenWilson,

    Does that ever happen? I think a talking to from their bosses is the most that could realistically be hoped for.

    And I'd have been okay with an officer having a word with Tiki on the night just to point out he wasn't making their job any easier.

    If I'm reading the reports right, they've doubled down. The staff member/promoter was released without charge, but is now facing resisting arrest and other charges on Friday too.

    Seriously, fuck off.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22843 posts Report Reply

  • Peter Martin,

    I’d also like to see the officers concerned charged with wasting police time (and ordered to pay costs)

    The chap in charge of the Law Society said on Kathryn Ryan's show this morning, that some 11,000 informations are withdrawn annually. That would be the entire workload of Manukau District Court for a year.
    The Vista bar of the Ponsonby was on the TPU nightly rounds on Friday and Saturday nights. The first thing one would hear would be a whistle from the King Cobra's lookout and then the ( long silver push to open ) ashtrays would suddenly fill with...stuff. Patrons would be asked to go out for a chat.
    There would be more aggro outside then, than at any other time...

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 187 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Beard, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    no matter how paradisical Tauranga is

    Obviously you use the word "paradisical" very differently than I. Tauranga is like the North Shore without Auckland.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1040 posts Report Reply

  • Damian Christie, in reply to Joanna,

    I think it sounds like Tiki was being a bit of a dick, to be honest. Unless he usually sings 'Fuck tha police' as part of his set, it seems unnecessary

    He does (often) perform it as part of his set. I kinda agree that doing it because he saw police in the bar was potentially a dick move, but not an arrest-worthy dick move.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1164 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Damian Christie,

    He does (often) perform it as part of his set. I kinda agree that doing it because he saw police in the bar was potentially a dick move, but not an arrest-worthy dick move.

    There's a suggestion in news reports that Dick dropped the track, and if so it was his dick-move.

    I look forward to the It wasn't me/It was my DJ defence.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22843 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell, in reply to Russell Brown,

    In 1981, at the Gladstone Tavern in Christchurch, the Newmatics were playing at part of the legendary Screaming Blamatics Tour.The police, as they did in those days, entered, lined up along the back of the room and started eyeballing people.

    They were doing that up and down the country - going into the pubs to show off their shiny (literally) new batons - a sort of pre-tour intimidation to make sure we all stayed in our places

    It didn't work

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2622 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    And it looks like someone's declared edit war on the Wikipedia entry for Fuck Tha Police. The IP address involved points to someone in Auckland.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5439 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Also, a relevant and very amusing video:

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22843 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    And then the pot said to the kettle, “you’re black!” Seems those who dissed hate-speech law as PC gone mad see fit to invoke it when it suits them.

    Red:

    Risking an auto-derail here. but my issues with so-called "hate speech" laws are a wee bit more nuanced that "PC gone mad"; more "good intentions causing more problems than they solve'. But that's a whole other jumbo can of worms for another time.

    And, yeah, I make no apologies for wondering how Police officers who are going to spin out on hearing a vulgar and provocative hip-hop lyric are going to handle a real shit storm.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Russell Brown,

    And I'd have been okay with an officer having a word with Tiki on the night just to point out he wasn't making their job any easier.

    That would be the sensible thing to do. Sounds like sense did not win, on the night.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • richard,

    Odd. No-one has mentioned Dave Dobbyn yet.

    Not looking for New Engla… • Since Nov 2006 • 268 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    In 1981, at the Gladstone Tavern in Christchurch, the Newmatics were playing at part of the legendary Screaming Blamatics Tour.

    The cops retreated rather quickly as I recall. The song (Riot Squad) wasn't even released at the time but we'd given tapes to student radio and it had received solid airplay, so it had some currency with the crowd.

    The cops looked shaken, but waited outside to harass.

    Gideon Tait

    ..used to live near my parents after he retired. One night some guys were driving around and around the loop that is Cliff Rd / Clarendon Rd and he came out in his dressing gown, watched by neighbours (from whom this story comes).

    He walked out and stopped the car.

    'Don't you know who I am?' he asked.

    'Who?'

    He answered and was decked with one immediate punch.

    It was hard to feel sympathy. I saw his squads in action many, many times and they were unprovoked, bloody and racist.

    Awful, awful times.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3283 posts Report Reply

  • Sarah Wedde,

    If you arrest a man for singing "Fuck tha Police", everyone starts singing "Fuck tha Police". Is Tauranga the short bus of police districts?

    Lower Hutt • Since Nov 2006 • 66 posts Report Reply

  • Sean Murgatroyd, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    While I took Craig to task on twitter for charactersing Assange supporters universally as "rape apologists" during the height of that conversation - I felt and still feel it was a poor way to advance the discussion, and I stay clear in my opinion that his rhetoric can be inflexible and downright offensive, I don't see "harden the fuck up, soft cocks" as being hate speech.

    I like a good strong line of rhetoric, which is why I enjoy (even when I disagree with) Craig's commentary, and I think you could research Fred Phelp's Westboro Baptist Church - who stand outside family funerals for American soldiers holding placards saying "God hates fag-loving America and killed this solder to make his point clear" (or words to that effect) to understand the difference between hate speech, and indicating professional people should be more realistic about their personal boundaries - which is the message behind "HTFU, SCs." (So I don't have to type it again. Craig, Craig, Craig!)

    New Zealand • Since Apr 2011 • 18 posts Report Reply

  • Simon Grigg, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    They were doing that up and down the country - going into the pubs to show off their shiny (literally) new batons - a sort of pre-tour intimidation to make sure we all stayed in our places

    And denying they had ever done so. Meurant said several times that long batons were not used pre-tour. It was a lie.

    Riot Squad was written about a police assault on XS Cafe, with long batons, months before, and I was one of quite a few victims of a long baton advance on a pretty peaceful party in then mostly commercial St George's Bay Rd in May of 81.

    Just another klong... • Since Nov 2006 • 3283 posts Report Reply

  • joshua grigg,

    I'm not one to advocate reading the Herald but comments on the Herald's story about this sadly add some weight to O'Connors argument. There is a huge amount of comment saying how dare anyone swear at the police, they do a hard job, we need them to stop the country going to the dogs etc. Seems that over twenty years later people still honestly believe that N.W.A is going to turn the kids into cop hating deviants.

    It doesn't sound like this was serious social comentary by Tiki just an entertainer entertaining a crowd. Just like a standup comedian taking the piss out of people in the crowd for the entertainment of everyone else. The police officers were probably too young to have ever even heard of N.W.A and actually thought they were being personally attacked. But just because you have the power to arrest someone who offends you doesn't mean its a smart thing to do. Now it's such a big story it's hard for an organisation like the police to admit that it might have been a silly arrest to make and withdraw the charges.

    Auckland • Since Apr 2011 • 3 posts Report Reply

  • Robyn Gallagher, in reply to richard,

    Odd. No-one has mentioned Dave Dobbyn yet.

    Let's refresh our memories with regards to the 1984 Queen Street riot and Dave Dobbyn's allegedly incendiary remarks.

    Raglan • Since Nov 2006 • 1946 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Sean Murgatroyd,

    Just to clarify, I wasn't referring to Craig R, but to those officers and string-em-uppers who want it both ways. The types who think they can screw the rules, because they make the rules. And when their own blowtorch is used on them, well, it's amusing at the very least.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5439 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark, in reply to Robyn Gallagher,

    That riot certainly wasn't Dobbyn's fault - but the rioters? That was scary. They really were completely out of control. And Simon's so right. Those years after the Springbok tour were very, very worrying times. I was 17 in 1981, and marching with my mother and sisters down a street in Kingsland, trying to get to Eden Park. We never got there, but I vividly remember baby cops with riot gear, staring us down. My sister hysterically screaming at them "What would you mothers think?" and senior police officers standing behind the riot lines, giving instruction to these young men just out of police college to "pick your man and take them down". One thing I worry about alot recently is how very easily we could go back to that ugliness, with all the seemingly draconian legislation currently being pushed through. NZ was a very divided society in those times and it seems to be heading that way again.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Just to clarify, I wasn’t referring to Craig R, but to those officers and string-em-uppers who want it both ways.

    Ah, got it – and thanks for the clarification, Red. Think you’re right there: O’Connor (and Judith Collins) want police to have “easier access” to guns. I don’t agree, but if we’re going there I’d rather they be in the hands of people who aren’t going to spin out at a vulgar rap lyric.

    And, FWIW, the cops I know don’t exactly sound like they’ve wandered out of the pages of a Henry James novella. More like this chap, ( WARNING: LINK TO YOU TUBE CLIP CONTAINING STRONG AND FREQUENT PROFANITY INCLUDING RACIST, HOMOPHOBIC AND SEXUAL LANGUAGE THAT MAY BE TRIGGERING )

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Clint Fern,

    I heard Cop Killer at a young(ish) age and here's some news for Greg, amazingly my police based homicides are still nil many years later.

    I may be wrong but I'd suggest that the causes of the police "being attacked all over NZ" might have more to do with the confrontational us against them attitude of O'Connor and Collins than old rap songs.

    Nelson • Since Jul 2010 • 64 posts Report Reply

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