OnPoint: Association of Community Retailers. Again.
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nzlemming, in reply to
What's stunning about that is that they feel they have to ask.
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merc,
It's a funding war.
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"If I have to reposition my stock in drawers under the counter it will mean major expense and disruption, as this area is presently used for other purposes."
Or you could ... like ... stop selling tobacco
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It is where he keeps his illegal drugs and xxx-rated DVDs?
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Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to
The dairy here up North has stopped selling cigarettes. People now travel 10 km to get their tobacco and because of that they also get bread and milk and veges and the newspaper and any number of items once bought at the dairy. Business has dropped quite a lot and perhaps because it's a coop and some were against the stoppage , I now see one can purchase Tobacco plants which must be selling well as they sell lots of papers up there and never stopped selling the trusty zig zags. I now understand why ;)
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prohibition is not on anybody’s agenda
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10369512
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Phil Lyth, in reply to
Phil was making a claim
At the risk of being boring, I responded yesterday: my original comment that was a brief aside which Graeme chose to interpret it in a way I had not intended. I replied saying my meaning was that science had been informing the debate over many years. The voting on last year's Bill builds on that body of knowledge.
My contention is that most MPs don't even know the effect of the laws they are passing
I am more hopeful. The contention would make a fascinating project for a Masters/PhD student (VUW PolSci dept, are you listening?) I agree that the political process is complex.
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Phil Lyth, in reply to
Of related interest, the New York Times's Public Editor
I read Jay Rosen @jayrosen, who teaches journalism at New York University. He responds here to the piece by the NYT's Brisbane, and includes reaction by others and by Brisbane himself.
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Phil Lyth, in reply to
Congratulations Keith, they're talking about you - which is better than the alternative.
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
Yeah the point is, it's a clear cost benefit analysis for the dairy. Either it is worthwhile to put the tobacco under the counter because it increases sales of bread milk etc OR it isn't worthwhile.
Bitching and moaning that this legislation that is, by every measure, going to save the country money, might shave his profit is just a high pitched whine.
He is pretending he has no options and that is patently not true.
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Phil Lyth, in reply to
prohibition is not on anybody’s agenda
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10369512
Rich, look at the context, that is from Feb 2006, at the very start of Hone Harawira's political career and immediately after the 2005 election. I stand to be corrected but I don't such a bill ever being submitted in the ballot. Certainly it wasn't captured by I/S's excellent 'In The Ballot' resource.
I compare that with the Nov 2010 report of the Maori Affairs Select Committee in their inquiry into tobacco which says (unanimously, bottom of page 10):
[W]e do not believe that the majority of New Zealanders support prohibition as the mechanism for reaching this goal, and so we have
not recommended it to the Government at this time.Harawira was a major player for pushing for the inquiry, working on it and bringing it to a conclusion. Yes, Turia, Lees-Galloway and others too.
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.He is pretending he has no options and that is patently not true.
Oh yes I agree. I was just pointing out a dairy that has already stopped selling tobacco a year (at least) ago and the consequence for them. I found it a bit ironic that they now sell the plants though. Also I have mentioned this to others at the pub and I know several were going down to get a plant.
Still, I noticed the other day that advertising propaganda appears to have been live and well back in the day as this magazine page indicates -
Rich of Observationz, in reply to
You've seen this one, right?
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Also I have mentioned this to others at the pub and I know several were going down to get a plant.
They're very easy to grow in NZ, the conditions are well suited and they require nearly no maintenance, because they're naturally toxic to pests. Preparation pretty much hanging the leaves up to dry out, then cutting them up for use. Hard to imagine a legal crop that could save a smoker as much money, for so little effort, so it's curious that it's never caught on. Another win for big tobacco there. Illegal to sell to people, yet another win for big foreign tobacco - we can only smoke it if it is made in a disgusting sweatshop somewhere in the third world, by law.
Not that I would suggest anyone who isn't already an addict have anything to do with the nasty stuff, nor that we would want a burgeoning local tobacco industry. Just that it's amazing how alienated tobacco consumers are from something they could make for themselves with far more ease than homemade alcohol, and most kinds of edible crops.
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merc,
We grew tobacco for supply in Motueka for many years.
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Bart Janssen, in reply to
I know several were going down to get a plant
Yeah I have an aunt-in-law who grows her own tobacco. There are limits to how much you are allowed to grow but otherwise seems a reasonable option.
If you accept there will be addicts or simply people who make that choice then letting them grow their own seems remarkably sensible. And yes that statement could be quite general :).
The big tobacco companies are a much worse evil than home growers.
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Tuo Lei, in reply to
That's all very well, but how does a home grower add all of those things that make cigarettes just so more-ish and delicious.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_additives_in_cigarettes
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BenWilson, in reply to
LOL, true.I think I can make my own basil and urea, but I'm all out of 4-(2,6,6-Trimethylcyclohexa-1,3-Dienyl)But-2-En-4-One
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Islander, in reply to
I picked tobacco for 2 seasons at Motueka. As a treat, we were given a tour of the Wills' cigarette factory - free samples!
That's why I've NEVER smoked cigarettes
(I was already a pipe & cigar smoker - and all the stuff that went into cigarette tobacco plus the casual way it was handled & kilned & processed - determined me to stay on the burley leaf...) -
Carrick Graham.
Hmm, two first name syndrome, the likes of Colin Craig, Garth George and Steven Joyce, to name but three nom de deux if you will.
I could go on about there being "No smoke without Führer" but I won't.
Keep up the good work Keith we will get the bastards yet. -
Steve Barnes, in reply to
Illegal to sell to people, yet another win for big foreign tobacco – we can only smoke it if it is made in a disgusting sweatshop somewhere in the third world, by law.
Talking to a well informed friend the other day, he told me that if you dry your tobbacco and offer it through an honesty box system at a roadside farm gate stall, you are not breaking any law, apparently. I am yet to be convinced.
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Kumara Republic, in reply to
And why is there such a glaring inconsistency between legalised booze and tobacco which cause thousands of deaths each year, and prohibited cannabis which has caused few if any direct deaths? I suspect it's more than just fancy marketing and spin.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
Actually, all you need as far as I can tell is a licensed Customs Controlled Area which costs $690 a year. I believe all wineries and breweries have to be one as well, so it can't be that hard.
I suspect that the real problem is that people who smoke aren't discerning consumers and wouldn't pay a premium for local product.
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bmk, in reply to
Or it might be that every bit of home-grown tobacco I have ever smoked has been foul. Maybe if somebody could produce a quality product that might be different.
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