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Speaker: Are there opportunities within the Government’s childhood obesity plan?

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  • Sacha, in reply to B Jones,

    You left out the $20 or so you'd have to pay me to eat sardines.

    times every child :)

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to B Jones,

    You left out the $20 or so you’d have to pay me to eat sardines.

    Had you started young – they'd be one of your favourites.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    What do you want me to do here? Genuflect before your obvious superiority?

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Those Countdown tv adverts about 'feeding 4 for $15' remind me how much veges cost nowadays by their lack of them.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • B Jones,

    Also cost of table, knife, fork and toaster.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 976 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Danielle,

    What do you want me to do here?

    No, cut out the sarcasm, this is a serious subject - ask anyone hooked up to a dialysis machine three times a week.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    The way women can feel pressured/socialised into monitoring other people's behaviour saddens me, as a bloke.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Sacha,

    What led you to believe that other commenters here do not understand nutrition?

    Someone referred to fizzy drink as food.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    No, cut out the sarcasm, this is a serious subject

    You don't say!

    I think what is peeving the shit out of me here is that we apparently have to lay bare our souls and lives for you to accept that we might know something about this and to stop giving out unsolicited advice like you're the fucking oracle. I don't need to tell you my life story for my argument to have validity.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Danielle,

    No, we want you to eat up your sardines like a good girl.

    Oh, and you have to eat your toast with a knife and fork too. That way you won't end up on dialysis.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • B Jones,

    I ate loads of sardines when I was a kid, and I even liked them for a while. But not any more.

    Mussels and a baguette might be close, but that presupposes cooking gear.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 976 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark,

    This old saw.
    I have taught in low socioeconomic areas for 20 years.
    I am the donations coordinator at the Mangere Women’s Refuge and I’m with the women and their kids quite a bit.
    The solutions to these problems are not as simple as some commenters may have suggested. Neither do the solutions presented seem to work. For a very simple reason.
    Not all people are the same, and you cannot target specific portions of the community and expect things to change.
    If we are really interested in slowing down all the sugary food intake, a multi pronged approach is required.
    Not all people struggling financially eat junk food.
    Not all Maori/Pasifika people are obese.
    Not all people who earn enough to live on eat healthily.
    And on we go.
    If we could stop with the judgements, and actually think properly about what’s causing the problems, we may get somewhere,

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3136 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    Someone referred to fizzy drink as food.

    Indeed. Even my children know that is actually a drink.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Jackie Clark,

    If we could stop with the judgements, and actually think properly about what’s causing the problems, we may get somewhere

    amen

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    No, cut out the sarcasm, this is a serious subject

    You're not here to discuss anything. You are certain you are right and have no interest in engaging with other people's way of thinking, and seem to have no empathy for people with limited or no choices.

    I think sarcasm is a reasonable response. I just wonder why you keep doubling down.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2450 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    Someone referred to fizzy drink as food.

    Sorry, I must have missed that. Any hint where in this thread I should look?

    I know carbonated sugar drinks are opposed by healthy food advocates because they have zero nutritional value, thus only downsides. Our current govt is far more interested in Coca-Cola's corporate profits than that, naturally.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • B Jones,

    Its usually about six pages in when the argument starts to become about the argument, right? I guess we've hit that point, which is a shame because I had some good recipes for hot gravel to share.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 976 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to BenWilson,

    The only sticking point is between the saying and the doing. And there's the rub.

    Verily

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Jackie Clark,

    If we could stop with the judgements, and actually think properly about what’s causing the problems, we may get somewhere,

    Amen. And for the third time, I’ll link to Dr Toomath’s article on this;

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/well-good/5639913/Fighting-a-losing-battle-against-obesity

    Where she puts her thesis on what the cause of the problem is:

    DR TOOMATH’S thesis is simple, but great fodder for libertarians and the talkback radio crowd. It goes like this: it is not their fault. Obese people did not choose to be that way. No-one would. Instead, they are at the whim first of their genes – especially those that control appetite – and then of an environment that is saturated in energy-dense, crappy food options. The combination means a population that is getting fatter with all the health problems that causes – exploding rates of diabetes chief among them.

    And she points out that the “personal responsibility” and “more education” argument is a crock:

    Dr Toomath is honest about this. She is not a big believer in free will at the best of times, she says, and especially not in this case. “The idea that we can describe the problem in terms of personal responsibility, you know, that it can be called a choice, a lifestyle choice, it’s crap. There’s no choice … To think that people choose to be obese, and if you educated them better, or if they were more steely and determined, self-denying, that they could not be the shape they are, is just rubbish.”

    So, what’s left? Tax and environment.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to BenWilson,

    It's not the only thing I feel that way about - for consistency I also feel the same way about tobacco.

    Second most addictive substance on the planet. Not the same dynamic at all.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle, in reply to ,

    Isn’t Katharine just sharing her opinions and experience

    Katharine is doling out parenting and nutritional advice like it's going out of style. I don't remember seeing anyone ask for it.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    I've always heard Dr Toomath talk about our "obesogenic environment". That's not something you blame individual people for being in.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to chris,

    Will removing GST on fresh fruit and vegetables achieve its stated aim? (2010) Concl

    I agree with that paper. Removing any tax creates a gap in funding somewhere else. But adding a tax on a harmful product with no nutritional value whatsoever, generates revenue - new revenue that can be put to good use elsewhere.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • JacksonP,

    Speaking of sardines.

    Some of us think life’s a bit like that, don’t we? But it isn’t. Life, you know, is rather like opening a tin of sardines. We all of us are looking for the key. And I wonder how many of you here tonight have wasted years of your lives looking behind the kitchen dressers of this life for that key. I know I have. Others think they’ve found the key, don’t they? They roll back the lid of the sardine tin of life. They reveal the sardines—the riches of life—therein, and they get them out, and they enjoy them. But, you know, there’s always a little bit in the corner you can’t get out. I wonder is there a little bit in the corner of your life? I know there is in mine.

    From Beyond the Fringe

    Apologies if I’m not taking this seriously enough. It’s Friday, and I’ve had a helluva week.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2011 • 2450 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to B Jones,

    zing

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

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