Speaker: Copyright Must Change
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I just copied the list off your page as an example.
true majors cherry pick the earners,
The point I''m trying to make is that 99% of known income doesn't equate to 99% of copyrightable material and in new zealand's case the ratios are very much in the other direction, mainly because new zealand's musical output isn't that profitable on a global scale and hence not that appealing to fund.so being anti copyright extension from an nz perspective based on what major labels own and profit from isn't quite the stand against corporate control that it would be in other countries.
overseas you'd hurt the rights of mostly majors, here you're eroding the rights of mainly small operators and individuals.
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We are simply protecting the interests of New Zealand artists and musicians"
that should be artists and musicians. apparently arpa don't specifically act in the interest of australiasian members ( a response they gave when recently queried on the topic recently).
other than that your analogy matches awkwardly (targeting suspected users before proving misuse, specific references to david byrne tracks perhaps) but I like the general gist of it, you should see if you can fabricate a real story along those lines. I think many people might actually buy it. -
Reuters story via Stuff: Music industry 'must embrace pirates'
This report of an annual record industry gathering in Cannes repeats the 95% piracy claim without challenge, then continues.
... Michael Robertson, the head of MP3Tunes who had to speak via video link because he is still engaged in copyright infringement lawsuits in the United States, urged the industry to go further and allow more experiments with their music.
"When you sue a new technology, you lose the opportunity to channel that into a positive direction," he said.
"There is innovation happening but it's coming from the dark side of the internet, from pirates, from the underground. And that is showing where the industry is going to be.
"You have to look underground, to see what people are doing and then give them commercial outlets that mirror that." ...
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you should see if you can fabricate a real story along those lines. I think many people might actually buy it.
Some are dumb enough, for sure. But then they might just end up suing me for.....ONE MILLION DOLLARS.
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The point I''m trying to make is that 99% of known income doesn't equate to 99% of copyrightable material and in new zealand's case the ratios are very much in the other direction, mainly because new zealand's musical output isn't that profitable on a global scale and hence not that appealing to fund.
But the point is, pretty much everything that's likely to be affected, assuming such copyright extension happened in NZ (and that is not planned unless I missed it), wouldn't be under threat until about 2030, and, given the the likely speed that technology is changing, and the acceleration in this change, I'd hope that some sort of resolution in copyright definition happens within that timespan.
And, regardless of how New Zealand is affected percentage wise right now, I suspect any resolution is likely to be more global rather than local.
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wouldn't be under threat until about 2030
unless the posse got together and 'changed' copyright in a backwards direction. then it would be an issue, and then nz would have to consider who they want to hurt by turning the rights back, not that it would probably be nz's call, as we would follow international precedents, just like we always do
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3410,
assuming such copyright extension happened in NZ (and that is not planned unless I missed it)...
You're quite right, of course (so far.) I should've made that clear in the posting of the video.
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Another story by Pat Pilcher: Copyright law dust-up turns into a war of words.
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notes for mr pilcher
in future when referring to artists opposing 92a please make it completely clear that said artists are opposed to prosecution on grounds suspicion which goes against the "innocent until proven guilty" thing we seem to have for the rest of society,
It is not necessarily that they are against efforts to stem piracy of their material but specifically this bill as it stands breaks fair play.
its an important distinction.also note that it is not just about music piracy, there is a great deal of traffic in the movie biz.
I doubt 92a will catch much music piracy (how are they going to see a 4 meg song or a 80 meg album) but it could easily nab movie piracy with their 700 -1400 meg files and hd 5gig files. -
And another local story (not by Pat): Internet lobbyists want copyright changes scrapped.
The Government is keeping a watching brief on a new copyright law and is open to changes if it doesn't work but will not be dumping it before it comes into effect.
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suspect whatever happens in NZ will be a result of following US & European precedents....rather than NZ forging it's own path, or being in a position to lead, regardless of direction of change.
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but it could easily nab movie piracy with their 700 -1400 meg files and hd 5gig files
What if you have either permission to copy a copyrighted item, or the content is free-to-share?
How do the ISP's make that sort of decision? How is that process funded as a set of additional requirements on the ISP from rights holders?
Seems that it's a long way from black and white.
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How do the ISP's make that sort of decision?
If I was an isp (and I'm not) and I was trying to track high user pirates. I'd start with the 40 gig plus a month for consecutive months users.
There is some good free to share video stuff out there but not 40 gig plus a month for consecutive months. you have to tap into the mainstream sources to keep that up.
hopefully if they do go through with measures they will give people a chance to respond. if your answer is you downloaded 40 gig of movies from free sites (giving links) then one would hope that would count for something. if you couldn't explain the usage then maybe that gets you to your second warning.if you were designing the system how would you run it?
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if you were designing the system how would you run it?
I gathered a loose collection of my thoughts upthread.
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if you couldn't explain the usage
Guilty until proved innnocent, the crux of resistance to the changes..
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I think the crux of the resistance is guilty upon suspicion with no discussion at all.
As I said, I'm not the isp. maybe its find the 40 gig user, check out the usage, get some proof (continued visits to bit torrent sites, regular downloads of files named the dark night.torrent, 24 hr bit torrent connection, rapid share visits etc).
That's fair cause for suspicion and then given the opportunity to refute etc. -
Bruce Simpson talks about the industry making it hard to do the right thing:
Right now I'm pretty sure I'm watching the recording industry shooting themselves in the foot again. Why complain so long and loud about people "stealing" your intellectual property and using it in their YouTube (or other) videos if you make it all but impossible for them to purchase legal use of that same material?
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3410,
Robbery,
I just hope that ISPs take more care with their accusations than you would. As far as I can tell, there is no copyrighted work called "The Dark Night." ;) -
3410,
For general reference:
Section 92A to 92E -
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Thanks for the link to the legislation, 3410.
given the opportunity to refute
Can someone perhaps post relevant legal references about presumption of innocence, to illuminate the concept for others here.
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And maybe the level of proof for civil as opposed to criminal cases, which seems relevant. I'd be grateful.
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To forestall any misunderstanding, when I say "for others here" I'm including myself, btw - people other than whoever provides the info.
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3410,
[La noche oscura, aka] the dark night
but, you know what I meant :)
OK, you got me :), but the fact that we've both made errors here is a good example of why natural justice requires that accusations be substantiated.
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justice requires that accusations be substantiated.
agreed.
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