Polity: In defence of the centre
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Attlee was elected immediately after WW2, with the UK finances in dire straits. He managed to create the NHS, a free education system, nationalise coal and railways, implement social security and build houses for the many who’d lost them in WW2 bombing. He did this mostly by taxing the rich - when you go to the UK and get to visit stately homes now belonging to the National Trust, that's why - the government took the money from the people who lived in Downton Abbey style houses and gave it to the ordinary people. That is the answer to people who say such things are impossible in today's (much richer) world.
That’s what I call a successful left wing leader (the problem they had was an excessive authoritarianism – they didn’t give ordinary people any more control over their employers, suppliers and institutions than private ownership had).
All Blair did was to remove from UK voters the ability to choose between left and right, replacing it with a choice between a rurally based right wing party and an urban based one. In many ways Blair was worse than his Tory predecessors, because he had no effective opposition.
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What's the point of Labour if they can't offer anything other than watered down Neoliberalism. They can't offer anything new or positive other than repackaged Blairism and corporate welfare masquerading as left wing policies.
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And yet, the best quote from Monbiot’s article is probably “Rebuilding a political movement means espousing what is desirable, then finding ways to make it feasible. The hopeless realists propose the opposite.”
Electing Labour just to “stop the rot” of right-wing policies is not enough. Too many people, and the planet itself, are suffering, for that limited vision to be desirable.
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How did UK Labour break out of this funk? Tony Blair.
Actually, John Smith. A social democrat.
The alternative to pie-in-the-sky left (which Foot's UK Labour was, in electoral terms) doesn't have to be diluted Thatcherism. It's the popular fallacy that says "A was bad, then B happened, so B must have been the only way".
Muldoon's command economy was bad, therefore Rogernomics was the only possible response? Tsarist Russia was horrific, therefore Bolshevism was justified? And so on. Babies, bathwater, etc.
Social democrats can and should win the centre. Polling has consistently shown majority support for many NZ Labour economic policies. The problem is that voters don't then match that support for the Labour caucus. They aren't "too left", they are just a bit rubbish at politics. A lot rubbish, sometimes.
That's the real problem, but it's the hardest one to solve. Self-awareness is in short supply down there.
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If left-wing centrists are going to occupy the central place in left-wing parliamentary democracy they seem to feel they deserve they need to either (a) be able to beat right-wing parties in general elections or (b) beat left-wing candidates in party elections. Blair was able to do both but his successors haven't been able to do either.
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keeaa, in reply to
central place in left-wing parliamentary democracy
What is this place and what does it look like? What policies reside there, if any?
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chris, in reply to
How did UK Labour break out of this funk? Tony Blair.
Actually, John Smith. A social democrat.
Snap! Labour’s opinion poll lead was shown to be as high as 23% in early May 1994.
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I think we are watching history repeat itself in the UK Labour Party. Blair got to win elections because (a) Foote, and the Militant group, took the party left, split it (remember the SDP?) and into electoral oblivion; (b) Kinnock led a more centrist fightback but paid the price in terms of his own leadership; and (c) this left the way open for John Smith and Tony Blair. In the meantime, Britain got 4 consecutive terms of Conservative government. I think with Corbyn we are back at (a). Which suggests Labour might get another shot at Government in about 2030 or 2035 or something.
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Monbiot also said-
The middle ground is a magic mountain that retreats as you approach. The more you chase it from the left, the further to the right it moves.
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What is attractive about a party prepared to abandon its core values for the prospect of electoral gain? What is inspiring about a party that grovels, offering itself as a political doormat for any powerful interest or passing fad to wipe its feet on?
Painting Sanders and Corbyn as 'hard-left' for espousing policies that are popular with their electorates, and mainstream in much of Europe, puts you further right of centre than you may think.
And the historical analysis is a weak basis for future action if you believe we/NZ/the world are currently on a fundamentally wrong course.
If you don't, you might as well vote National - no?
(Another thing I think Labour here keep failing to grasp is something along the lines of Josh Marshall's 'bitch-slap' theory of politics described here.
A good part of what we vote for is someone who will stand up for our values, stand up for us, in a steadfast and public way. When politicians back down, hesitate, switch values, equivocate or capitulate, they send a meta-message that their values are weak and they won't fight for them. And that's petrol on the fire of cynicism and disinterest in the political process.) -
Rob Stowell, in reply to
I think with Corbyn we are back at (a).
Somehow 2015 doesn't feel like the 1980s. Different times call for different solutions.
The economic challenges and the societies we live in have changed massively. Much of that change has been a move to the right. That's led to many things - economic inequality, weak labour unions, loosely regulated and out-of-control financial markets, a huge ballooning of public and private debt, climate change, and very different geopolitics - many of which the right have no answer for because they don't see them as problems.
Tinkering with the rough edges of the market won't be enough - and I think a lot more people are starting to see it. -
Wildo, in reply to
Blair also won because those Tories who weren't self destructing were hanging themselves in women's underwear.
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I wouldn't be making a local case based on first-past-post UK. Or on elections where the voters happened to deliver viable coalition numbers for Labour and parties to its right.
Coalition might go to the left this time - if Labour can pull its weight, and Winston doesn't slime back to the Nats. Big ifs, I know.
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Sacha, in reply to
What policies reside there, if any?
90-day employment trial periods, for instance. Not increasing benefit levels, for another.
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keeaa, in reply to
Nope, right-wing. Try again.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
Somehow 2015 doesn’t feel like the 1980s. Different times call for different solutions.
I guess the question might be whether someone perceived as an old-school class warrior is the best person to address late-stage capitalism in the 21st century.
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Sacha, in reply to
Of course the right of Labour seems right-wing. It is. Broad church, etc.
Little has said Labour will keep trial periods. Clark presided over 9 years of widening the gap between wages and benefit payments.