Speaker: The real problem with the ‘Kiwimeter’
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Stephen Judd, in reply to
I think they used the Waitangi Day promo effort to get their initial sample. So when you see the "You are a Globalist, 7% are like you" that's based on that early bunch of respondents. Heaven knows how they weighted it to derive the proportions!
They emailed all the people who had done the Vote Compass last year:
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izogi, in reply to
They're really boasting now about 130,000 respondents? Congratulations, that's 130,000 respondents worth of worthless data that doesn't mean anything!
Wow. At 10 minutes per survey, which is the time it takes as advised by TVNZ, that's nearly 903 continuous non-sleeping days of people filling out a dumb survey.
They could have been contributing that time towards building the economy, damnit!
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Paul Campbell, in reply to
Download; convert to jpg; attach to comment … et voila
I must admit that's always bothered me - it's essentially a copyright breach when direct linking would not be
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Moz,
8 Tribes
Did they have to say at the very start "everyone lives in Auckland"? Those suburb names meant almost nothing to me. I know the words, barely any more and definitely not the stereotypes. I've visited Auckland, but when I had to choose a major city to live in, I moved to Sydney.
It's just another way to start off on the wrong foot with the 2/3rds of NZ who don't actually live in Auckland.
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BenWilson, in reply to
Only 5 out of 8 of those are in Auckland. Raglan is another town altogether, and Balclutha and Cuba St are not in Auckland.
FWIW I don't know what those stereotypes are either. Well Raglan is probably rural coastal types...but the others are a mystery. Not that I care much, because stereotyping like that just puts me off. I couldn't afford to live in Grey Lynn even if I wanted to, but that's my tribe, apparently. Yeah, wrongfooted already, as you say.
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Geoff Lealand, in reply to
Not really. Raglan is a trendy town these days, with a significant arts community.
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I would like to know who these 'prominent New Zealand academics' are, so I can avoid them in the tearoom.
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Stephen Judd, in reply to
Geoff, I found myself instinctively looking for a "like" button on that one.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
a simple esteem engine....
looking for a “like” button
agreed, yet isn't that another example of a self selecting survey...
;- )It always intrigued me that Stuff Comments has 'thumbs up' and 'thumbs down' options while the NZ Herald only has 'thumbs up' - and within Stuff's two options they are self cancelling - so you can never really know how many people took part if it goes evenly either way (if my feeble brain has grasped the process correctly...)
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Moz, in reply to
Only 5 out of 8 of those are in Auckland. Raglan is another town altogether, and Balclutha and Cuba St are not in Auckland.
Ooops, so my assumption that there must be Auckland versions of the latter two was worng. Raglan... that's kinda like claiming Petone is not part of Wellington. I mean technically it's not, but ...
I wonder if "Balclutha" is the generic for "south of Cuba St" or are they actually aware that it's quite different from Invercargill, let alone Wanaka or Wakefield.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
Not really. Raglan is a trendy town these days, with a significant arts community.
And apparently the highest per-capita level of benzodiazepine prescriptions in the country.
would like to know who these ‘prominent New Zealand academics’ are, so I can avoid them in the tearoom.
Probably a biochemist and a mechanical engineer. They didn't say they were academics in a relevant field...
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Jeremy Andrew, in reply to
Raglan… that’s kinda like claiming Petone is not part of Wellington. I mean technically it’s not, but
Well, its more like claiming that Foxton Beach is not part of Wellington. Cos it ain't. Its the best part of a 2 hour drive from central Aucks and you have to go through Hamilton to get there unless you like unsealed back roads.
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Sacha, in reply to
Those (sealed) back roads from Ngaruawahia are a great drive.
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Stephen Judd, in reply to
its more like claiming that Foxton Beach is not part of Wellington.
Yeah, sorry Moz, that's bullshit. More plausible to say Raglan is a dormitory suburb of Hamilton, but even that's stretching it a lot.
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Petone is not part of Wellington. It's a suburb in the Hutt Valley, which is a conglomeration near to, but separated from Wellington.
It's become standard to describe (in the media) everywhere near a city as part of that city, possibly as an attempt to build support for council amalgamations, but it isn't actually the case.
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BenWilson, in reply to
Its the best part of a 2 hour drive from central Aucks and you have to go through Hamilton to get there unless you like unsealed back roads.
That's like claiming that Hamilton isn't part of Auckland. :-)
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BenWilson, in reply to
I wonder if “Balclutha” is the generic for “south of Cuba St” or are they actually aware that it’s quite different from Invercargill, let alone Wanaka or Wakefield.
I feel barely competent to make generalizations about Papatoetoe, much less a place I'm dimly aware exists somewhere around the middle of NZ. Only person I know from Papatoetoe lives in Grey Lynn. And IMHO she's a tribe unto herself.
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BenWilson, in reply to
I would like to know who these ‘prominent New Zealand academics’ are, so I can avoid them in the tearoom.
Stay away from the prominent tea rooms and you should be OK
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BenWilson, in reply to
so you can never really know how many people took part if it goes evenly either way (if my feeble brain has grasped the process correctly…)
Yup, and if, say, there were 10,000 likes and 10,100 dislikes, it comes to 100 dislikes which sounds really bad, when in fact it's basically even. Certainly not the same as getting 100 dislikes and no likes at all.
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Moz, in reply to
Yeah, sorry Moz, that's bullshit.
You don't sound sorry.
I agree that it's bullshit, but apparently for the opposite reason. I don't consider it essential to know exactly where Raglan is and how it relates to other suburbs of or around Auckland, and I think it's bullshit to demand that people do. I'm happy if that makes me less "kiwi".
I could as reasonably ask you to describe the people of Whakatu then get pissy when you don't understand that it's a city as well as a suburb, and clearly in this context we're talking about the suburb.
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The point is it's NOT a suburb of Auckland. Not even a far flung suburb. Simply not a suburb at all, in distance, driving time, culture, having commuters to Auckland, in any way whatsoever. How can we make that clearer?
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And look, I am sorry, genuinely, rudeness got the better of me.
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BenWilson, in reply to
How can we make that clearer?
Maybe like this?
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The designers of that "Tribes" survey need to get out of Auckland occasionally - how "Raglan" relates to an aged hippy living in Dunedin, I don't know.
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