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Speaker: What I learned in Class: Should Labour go after the "Bogan Vote"?

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  • Russell Brown,

    What happens if you tell a bogan they are a public intellectual?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22834 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

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    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2622 posts Report Reply

  • bob daktari,

    it would be a foolish party that doesn't court the bogan vote... a clever party does so via policy and engagement over a long time frame - a bit how one would like parties to operate anyway, a long term view of how they can shape New Zealand communicated to the electorate as opposed to staggering from one self made crisis to another always deflecting blame

    auckland • Since Dec 2006 • 540 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Russell Brown,

    What happens if you tell a bogan they are a public intellectual?

    Um . . . if they're the real thing they'll do that fart trick with their armpit?

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Rob S, in reply to Russell Brown,

    What happens if you tell a bogan they are a public intellectual?

    Like an old school AB's try scorer walking stolidly back to half-way you'd know that people know what you've achieved without having to do anything more. Your mates would know you for what you are and leave it there with the quiet understanding that you "done well".

    Bogans aren't generally reflex anti intellectual, but don't appreciate condescending knobbery.

    Since Apr 2010 • 136 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5430 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    a thorny problem...
    Next someone will be getting upset about the prices of Auckland's 'bogan villas', cue - more media westie wisteria...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7944 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand,

    Are bogans really that homogenous and undifferentiated as a social group? What about neo-bogans, quasi-bogans, wannbe-bogans, faux bogans, bogus bogans, used-to-be-a-bogan?

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2558 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    sleigher....

    used-to-be-a-bogan?

    surely back sliding bogans on the skids would be toboggans!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7944 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen,

    a Bogan sees a politician as having no redeeming value to society

    They are not alone

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4458 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    Are bogans really that homogenous and undifferentiated as a social group? What about neo-bogans, quasi-bogans, wannbe-bogans, faux bogans, bogus bogans, used-to-be-a-bogan?

    I'm picturing a row of wig stands in the ensuite adjoining Dr. Bogan's office, with mullets of varying cartoonishness. Those otherwise standard perusing-document-at-desk or fetching-tome-from-shelf shots can be fine-tuned to match the quote for whatever bogan issue happens to currently exercise the media.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Jeremy Andrew, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    Um . . . if they're the real thing they'll do that fart trick with their armpit?

    A real bogan or a real intellectual?

    Hamiltron - City of the F… • Since Nov 2006 • 900 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Jeremy Andrew,

    A real bogan or a real intellectual?

    Whichever it is, I'd bet Chris Trotter would rate it as the sublime one-hand-clapping response of a Waitakere zen master.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Judi Lapsley Miller,

    The Bogan woman has already read what I’ve previously written and made a mental note to tell me to make proper reference to their gender next time.

    Um Yes :-). And I do take some exception to the idea that bogans don't get doctorates - some of us grew up as bogans but still went to varsity (and still identified as bogans then, and even now). I'll never forget what Labour did as I was growing up working-class in the 80s and they'll never get my vote (likewise for National in the 70s).
    \m/

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 106 posts Report Reply

  • chris,

    Mawkland • Since Jan 2010 • 1302 posts Report Reply

  • James Littlewood*,

    I'm not a bogun. But I live in west Auckland, and I know what it is to have a front yard full of former cars. And I see in the streets of Glen Eden and Henderson and Kelston and Helensville a fair bit of what Dave's talking about here.

    It's called "conservatism". And, while RB is right to point out in these pages that Henderson Man does better on a trade certificate than many do on a university degree, many don't.

    Therefore: "conservative proletariat." If votes are emotive, it's the "conservative" part that wins the vote. Fuck proletariat.

    Key gets it, by playing out a conservative persona, masking whatever political agenda he's being grilled about. Hence "most kiwis are more interested in the snapper quota". Classic bogun.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 410 posts Report Reply

  • Dave Snell, in reply to Judi Lapsley Miller,

    Argh I swore I wouldn't read the comments and yet here I am. Hi Judi, you're quite right. What I meant was "If they choose not to do a doctorate". Because similar to your point, I'm a Bogan and I have a doctorate.

    Cheers for the comment.

    Hamilton • Since Jul 2015 • 1 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Comrade Trotter is becoming increasingly desperate as the world evolves past the comfortable certainties of his distant youth. People who object to racist dogwhistling from Labour are tools of our Chinese overlords, apparently.

    Pffft.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19719 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Dave Snell,

    I'm a Bogan and I have a doctorate.

    You got a license to give 'em arseholes.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • SHG,

    I think someone needs to wheel Colonel Trotter back to the drawing room and top up his brandy before he embarrasses him--

    whoops

    nup • Since Oct 2010 • 77 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    I just hope its nothing like this.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Tze Ming Mok,

    What happens when a bogan turns out to be Chinese and then buys a house? True story.

    Growing up in working class Roskill in the 80s and 90s, even the Samoan kids loved Gn’R, Zep and Metallica, so, you know. But we don’t count as the ‘bogan vote’, especially if we are feminists or are invested in our ethnic communities. Love of metal is not the criteria here for Trotter and others suddenly excited about this concept. It seems like a category error. I don’t know why people don’t just say ‘white working class’ instead of ‘bogan’. They obviously don’t want any other kind of bogan.

    SarfBank, Lunnin' • Since Nov 2006 • 154 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Tze Ming Mok,

    Love of metal is not the criteria here for Trotter and others suddenly excited about this concept.

    Cos, everybody hates a tourist...

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Therefore: "conservative proletariat." If votes are emotive, it's the "conservative" part that wins the vote. Fuck proletariat.

    Um, OK... You know, conservative ≠ "pathologically racist, misogynistic, homophobic and thick as a bucket of pig shit left out in the sun" any more than bogan does.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Mahoney,

    I don’t know why people don’t just say ‘white working class’ instead of ‘bogan’. They obviously don’t want any other kind of bogan.

    Fuckin' word.

    Since Apr 2007 • 12 posts Report Reply

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