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Up Front: Does My Mortgage Look Like a Slag in This?

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  • Danielle,

    her, er, drawbridge was ready to be lowered

    What with this image and Craig's woodchipper one from earlier, I think I'm going to have some freaky, freaky dreams tonight.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Ian, that's not what Emma's asking you to do. "Inhale for a minute and just listen" does not equal get out.

    C'mon now, are you telling me you've never run a quick single? I don't believe that for a minute.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    </quote>On my second bingo card now. Who's with me?</quote>

    I ran out of cards and pencils on Andrew H's second comment.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    . That's the internet equivalent of throwing your toys out of your cot.

    A classic case of packing a sad. Not something you come across every day on teh interhosen. If it weren't so downright wrongheaded it might have a certain old-world charm.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • Amy Gale,

    teh interhosen

    The internet is pants.

    tha Ith • Since May 2007 • 471 posts Report Reply

  • Angus Robertson,

    I used 'early 60s' to describe what you were saying because your attitude perfectly encapsulates what was happening during that period; the beginning of the sexual revolution was meant to be 'freeing' for women, but instead they were often insulted for not being 'free' enough (which basically just meant they wouldn't put out for everyone who asked. How astounding).

    So you've had almost 50 years to accept the concept. All I am trying to say is that behaviour made famous in the 60s still occurs and it is common for people to meet in public spaces for the purposes of carrying it out (try to figure out which spaces). If it offends you or you find it insulting, so be it.

    I'm not sure how many times we can tell you what happens to women in public, and then have you tell us we're imagining it, or brought it on ourselves, or are prudes, or are overreacting, or *whatever*, Angus. Are you ever going to actually hear us, or do we give up now?

    Oh no, I totally believe you. Its not that I am even unsympathetic, it is a not nice feeling to be denigrated.

    Unfortunately though the right not to be offended does not and should not exist, because it is trumped thoroughly by the right of people to freely express themselves.

    Auckland • Since May 2007 • 984 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Er, the quick single comment above was meant to reply to Sofie's how you cross the road thing. Ah, I suck at this Internet thing. Is this thing even on? Where do you speak into? Hello?

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    Unfortunately though the right not to be offended does not and should not exist, because it is trumped thoroughly by the right of people to freely express themselves.

    I beg your pardon?

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    Unfortunately though the right not to be offended does not and should not exist, because it is trumped thoroughly by the right of people to freely express themselves.

    Oh goody. There's a few things I need to get off my chest.

    I'll be round later to follow you around in public, screaming insults and general filth at the top of my lungs.

    What? I'm only freely expressing myself. Your right not to be offended doesn't exist.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    So you've had almost 50 years to accept the concept. All I am trying to say is that behaviour made famous in the 60s still occurs and it is common for people to meet in public spaces for the purposes of carrying it out (try to figure out which spaces). If it offends you or you find it insulting, so be it.

    I think you might be confusing two things. Again. Let me lay this out very simply, as one might in a children's story book.

    1. People of all sexes and orientations meet in public places and then they fuck and they are happy. Hooray for people fucking!

    2. Sometimes, people harass or attack people who do not want to fuck them. This is bad. BOOO for harassment!

    You see that these are *different*. Right?

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen Judd,

    Man, next time me and my little helpers go debt collecting, I'm going to bring along Angus.

    We're not threatening you. We're just exercising our right to free expression. Incidentally, have I expressed what a lovely house you have? It is my belief, and I don't mind sharing it with you, that it would be shame if anything were to happen to it.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 3122 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    teh interhosen

    Take me to your Leder...

    ...he said, in short leather pants

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

  • Lyndon Hood,

    I beg your pardon?

    I said, "Bingo!"

    Angus, I'm thinking about a range of behaviour, much of which goes beyond mere expression.

    However - Even if it doesn't: if the situation sucks, then by the same token people have the right to complain about it, tell people off if they're being dicks, to try to stop it, and to complain when people treat it as a fact of life.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 1115 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen,

    Men get out.

    sniff bye then

    skulks off into a corner to think fondly of thought provoking discussion that I am the wrong sex to be involved in...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4451 posts Report Reply

  • Carol Stewart,

    Take me to your Leder...

    Take me to your lieder ..
    ..as someone once remarked to Schubert

    Wellington • Since Jul 2008 • 822 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    This is bad. BOOO for harassment!

    Okay, the PAS imprint needs to get on to children's books and we've found our author.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Angus Robertson,

    Let me introduce ambiguity not found in childrens books:

    1. People of all sexes and orientations meet in public places and engage in a persistant, aggressive pursuit of consensual sex and then they fuck and they are happy. Hooray for people fucking?

    2. People of all sexes and orientations meet in public places and engage in a persistant, aggressive pursuit of consensual sex and then they don't fuck and one party is unhappy. BOOO for harrasment?

    I contend that a significant number of people in bars at 3 am are by and large trying to create happiness through enacting scenario 1. And that their efforts might unfortunately result in scenario 2.

    Auckland • Since May 2007 • 984 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Do unto others as you would have
    them do unto you...

    Unfortunately though the right not to be offended does not and should not exist, because it is trumped thoroughly by the right
    of people to freely express themselves.

    I humbly suggest you take a read of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights (adopted on December 10, 1948 by the General Assembly of the United Nations).

    Article 1.
    * All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights.They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

    Article 3.
    * Everyone has the right to life, liberty and security of person.

    Article 18.
    * Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion; this right includes freedom to change his religion or belief, and freedom, either alone or in community with others and in public or private, to manifest his religion or belief in teaching, practice, worship and observance.

    Article 19.
    * Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

    Article 30.
    * Nothing in this Declaration may be interpreted as implying for any State, group or person any right to engage in any activity or to perform any act aimed at the destruction of any of the rights and freedoms set forth herein.

    yrs fraternally
    A. Person & Anne Individual
    Rockin' in the Free World...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

  • Sarah Horth,

    At 3am, no doesn't mean no? I'm not interested, means something else?

    Would you feel equally as happy with people's right to express themselves, if they happen to have their hands all over your date?

    Seattle • Since Aug 2009 • 44 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso,

    I like Angus' riff on the old adage: one person's liberties end where another person's... no, fuck it. They just don't end.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    I contend that a significant number of people in bars at 3 am are by and large trying to create happiness through enacting scenario 1. And that their efforts might unfortunately result in scenario 2.

    And so perhaps being 'persistent and aggressive' might not be their best option, then? Because it's annoying at best and scary at worst? Because it's harassment?

    You seem to think that no one would ever fuck if someone wasn't acting like a douchebag to someone else. Believe me: I have bonked some people, and they didn't have to harass me to get me to do it. That's what 'active consent' means.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Carol Stewart,

    Here's the difference, Angus.

    The first time you say, "You wanna fuck?"

    May I humbly recommend an enrolment at Charm School?

    Wellington • Since Jul 2008 • 822 posts Report Reply

  • Angus Robertson,

    Rich - stay away from protest marches.

    Stephen - don't threaten people.

    Auckland • Since May 2007 • 984 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    Stephen - don't threaten people.

    Oh, he's not threatening you. I mean, it only matters if he feels like he's threatening you. Whether or not you feel threatened is irrelevant. I mean, you might just be over-anxious, or a prude.

    On a lighter note, perhaps this, which is only tangentially-related, but funny.

    Male customer: “So can I have your number?”

    Me: “Oh. Actually, I’m gay.”

    Male customer: “You want to have sex with women?”

    Me: “Well, not right now. Right now, I just want to read my book.”

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4650 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Trout phishing in...

    Take me to your lieder ..
    ..as someone once remarked to Schubert

    Well, there's no need to make a song
    and dance about it... ;- )

    yrs lyrically
    Bert Shoe
    decomposer

    ps : if anyone is looking for any particular old classical music on vinyl, let me know, as quite a bit eddies past me with no good homes to go to...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

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