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I love the photo that accompanies that article. It looks very carefully styled, like it should be an album cover. Notorious T.O.N.Y?
<media cynic mode on>
do you think he capture the right amount of sorry. I mean tears and crying might have been too much and a shit eating I got away with it grin perhaps the wrong vibe for the piece, sports casual wear contemplative look at the ground 'really thinking about what he's done', I don't feel manipulated in the slightest. the perfect balance.<media cynic mode...idle> -
he would consider being part of an anti domestic violence campaign.
"I would do it in a flash, and I know people will say 'Well of course he would', but I would also like people to know that one thing I do know is how this can happen and how suddenly things can spiral and you can do things you've never thought possible.
"One thing I hope out of all of this, I hope that New Zealand gets the message."
the how suddenly things can spiral out of control will ring true for many, and those that it has no meaning for will be lucky if they get through their lives without seeing it happen around them.
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then I'd hate to see your reaction if I actually *do* insult you.
my skin = thick, I think I might also have masochistic tendencies, plus a general lack of respect for authority figures, it can only end in tears for me I'm sure.
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we seem to have a similar cynical out look,
me cynical?
and there was I thinking I was a ray of sunshine and light :) -
It's all really quite sad. I did some research on domestic violence in the mid-90s, and in many ways we haven't changed the world at all.
well said and noted kyle.
it is sad, and we as a society don't appear to be much better at accepting and dealing with our flaws as a species than we ever were. we need a fallen celebrity to motivate us into action, and then we'll most likely forget about the issue once his case has drifted from the front page. -
Karen, do you mean we haven't paid enough attention to the gendered aspects of the story?
I so wouldn't go there as is apparent from comments in this thread we are not capable of discussing an issue like this without resorting to personal slights about the writers. (apologising for domestic violence etc)
I suppose you'll have to get used to disappointment. I call that trolling, so I don't do it.
and I call it debating. I've mentioned it before but in a religious studies movie I had to screen as part of my job when I was a yoof I saw a piece on the jewish 'art' of debate by their religious elite. the point of the exercise was to discuss an issue. when one person got stuck the other would chip in and say well if you said such and such then perhaps this concept is etc etc, then they would continue debating. the point was not to win, but to thoroughly explore all angles and take the discussion to its logical conclusion.
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and I was being straight, not ironic before.
then I don't understand how you think I was misreprsenting in order to avoid?
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Do you really think Public Address posters would just accept whatever they read in the papers? You've been here for at least a year - c'mon.
wouldn't have thought so till the early pages of this thread and the baying for blood.
which means that you're not going to get the proof you seem to desire no matter how long you wait. That's not a good enough reason to say that no action can be taken or conclusions reached.
well there will be official information to come, we just haven't seen it yet. I'd hope much expanded information from both parties and from police and legal experts. its an interesting case for sure, mostly for the 'paying her off' aspect if that's how it went down.
and not knowing is a perfectly good reason for not jumping off the lead, but I don't think anyone has said no action should or could be taken, its all a matter of WHAT action should be taken and those being being labeled as veitch apologists are merely noting that in our legal world before you can decide "what action" you need to know details, important details. not the kind of vague details we've had so far, (shatter, snapped, broken cracked, push kick, sustained, merciless etc) butaccurate details. then we can attribute the correct amount of hatin', and in the modern world its all about getting the level of hate just right isn't it?
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If you've followed the thread here, Karen, I think you will see that most of the people here, of any gender, think that the substance of the story printed by the Dom-Post is about right,
see that's not how I read the thread at all and why I felt the need to comment. there were a good 17 pages of comments before russell pasted in some txt from the post (unless I missed it earlier in the thread). prior to that it did indeed appear that people were talking about what they imagined had happened instead of what actually had happened. this was nicely highlighted by someone's comment that her spine was "crushed" in 4 places, which in my mind brought up images of veitch as a terminator style cyborg using his machine like endoskeleton to perform superhuman.......etc etc.
it was just pure luck that we have a number of medical experts on her that could quickly give us a detailed description on the amount of effort it would need to damage someones back in the exact way it was in this case. I personally wouldn't have had any idea
does it matter in relation to how we view veitch? well, yeah, by matter of degrees. I can summon up a lot more hate for someone who does a marfia style beating. In my efforts to be correctly manipulated by the media I need to know exactly how much I should hate this celebrity who I don't know and to be honest don't care about any more than any other member of our society.
I object to the feeling of manipulation I get from this, on veitch's part for sure but also on the media's and public's part too. I usually like to get my information for valid sources, not hearsay and conjecture, and yes I do include press reports (including the posts) in this too, and no I don't put full weight in the "well if it wasn't true they wouldn't have said it" argument. come on people, like you've never read a false report in a newspaper before. weapons of mass destruction anyone.
and I'm surprised more people don't have a problem with this whole celebrity trial thing. as I said earlier we have a lot of domestic violence, of similar and worse nature. why aren't we collectively up in arms about what happens to all the other victims of abuse and not this one smarmy famous person. does no one else feel uncomfortable about that? is hypocrisy the right word? probably not.
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If it's any consolation robbery
thanks yamis I do feel lightly consoled, my skin is very thick though, i'm more winding the d's up than taking offense. I do have a point but it hardly matters if those who don't want to think about it ignore it.