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waffle on for a page and half here about why you are wrong on this.
is it not true that majors were pretty decent to nz artists?
is it not true that a large number of artist contracts are really really boring, straight forward business agreements (that you may well need a lawyer to look over but the same goes for purchasing a house) -
It doesn't matter whether anyone takes moral offence at this. It's just happened, and I can't see it going back in the box.
I guess what i'm looking for from you russell is the other side of the story. your listener column and PA are heavily your opinion. you don't just relay the news, you write your version of it and I haven't seen you say no DRM may well hurt a lot of indie artists as well as your hated majors (many of whom distribute indies) I haven't heard you say the inablity to make a viable DRM that allows you to swap your mp3s across all your platforms is going to make things very dangerous for media sellers. I hope the bands I love find a way around this issue. that's what I'm missing from you russell.
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why in gods name would anyone let a major label manage them
but we're not talking a simple case of labels managing artists are we simon. Your label got into bed with the majors. did you get shafted any more than you let yourself?, did flying nun?
does bic runga get royally done by her label or her dealings with majors? apparently not enough to get her to start burning discs off in her bedroom and folding photo copied covers to sell at gigs.Hayley westenra got a not particularly good deal with decca but then she's just a pretty voice isn't she.
They serve their purpose. you enlist their services cos you can't be bothered doing it all yourself and they charge for it. If you don't like it don't get into bed with them. if you think you can get a better deal somewhere else go there. no ones forcing any of these bands or indie labels to get into bed with these people. but thats beside the point which was demonising major labels and taring everyone with their brush is oversimplifying the issue. There's an awful lot of good honest indie artists and labels that get hurt in this stampede. 28 percent by mr napier bells estimates but he doesn't say how many of the rest are indies distributed through majors.
and reading the first couple of paragraphs from Napier -Bell
10 cents' worth of vinyl selling for $10 - 10,000 per cent profit
The raw vinyl may cost 10 cents but its content and cover, production and distribution, record store mark up promotion and....doesn't
10,000 percent profit. is a highly misleading comment to make isn't it.
and lets not forget this guy is one of them. he had a £5m unpaid tax bill. how much did he earn? if you want to do the right thing rip this money hungry profiteer off. unfortunately that would mean boney m and ultravox downloads,.... -
(Oh, and no one is coming vaguely close to threatening to string you up from a tree, cut off your penis, hands, head and/or feet, and then send commemorative postcards of your dismembered body to their relatives for a good laugh.
:) colourful. I wouldn't have thought your rellies were into that kind of art,
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if you go back and read the thread properly.
I'm not reading that waffle.
People have already had to resort to cutting-and-pasting their prior posts to respond to you,
I think that was me to you, and one instance of kyle showing me something I'd missed.
thanks finn, that's got to be 22 pages now.
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As for the insults, I do think being described as a "lynch mob" is up there.
I offended a mob? is that even possible?
I think my point is valid and the reference apt as well shown by your comments. such asSorry for implying the recording industry are a bunch of liars, crooks and thieves, I guess that all went out with payolla. Oh, no wait...is Bic still flipping burgers?
why the generalisations, why the hating on Bic, do you know her, have you looked at her bank statements? don't you think you're acting a bit like a lynch mob (no offense intended)
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Oh, that's what you are defending is it? Why not just take a big club and smash anyone who has a PC or device that doesn't play nicely with your view of the extent of "distribution".
I'm not personally defending it per sa, more spotlighting the right to do so and drawing attention to ridiculous statements such as
No musicians' rights are being attacked by those who oppose DRM (TPMs). Get it, none, zip, nada.
which you then go on to infer I should take violent action to defend, can't we just talk about it peacefully over a cuppa look at the facts, the humans behind the hype, and agree to act like reasonable human beings?.....
no? yeah, too much to ask or expect.
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I guess that all went out with payolla
you're thinking radio there :) they're the ones who accept payola
Oh, no wait...is Bic still flipping burgers?
bics a stay at home mummy or has been for the last year. she did a nice concert a couple of nights back in chch though,
and for a women who has reach such heights she's hardly rolling in the cash compared to her equal in any other business. -
What we are doing is defending our rights not to be royally screwed over by the guys that have screwed musicians for decades.
for the umtenth time hollywood myth
not that I like major labels cos of some absolute pap they have served up as music but that statement is just pure hype. it makes a good movie plot but most artists have boring contracts that relate directly to the distribution of their works. sorry, it really is that dull, but don't let me go bursting your bubble.read back further and you'll see mr grigg saying kiwi artists were treated pretty well by their major label evil overlords.
myth myth myth, inadmissible as justification for the wholesale looting media, but.. thanks for pushing the page count up to 21 and a half, I know that was your real motivation for commenting and it is noted and appreciated :)
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I see you are descending to insults which hardly strengthens your case.
I'm not insulting anyone big nose.