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No musicians' rights are being attacked by those who oppose DRM (TPMs). Get it, none, zip, nada.
The right to control the distribution of your works?
is that not a right that is being infringed upon by attacking DRM?
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as various people have noted, you don't seem to take in anything anyone else says.
the couple of people who have said that ie finn have said it in reference to their side issue points. ie there is no such thing as uncrackable (finn, and I did and do take his point but he didn't take mine that I have had in crackable software (and I would know this cos I was looking desperately for the crack cos the legit version was cumbersome, and also that the problem doesn't have to be solved in a linear way, vinyl is uncrackable you have to make play it in to computer in real time and you'll get all the inherent flaws in it that your one copy has as opposed to cd which is an exact copy ripped in a fraction of real time, and no I'm not offering vinyl as a solution to piracy, just noting interesting points about it.) and vlc player plays flv files. (finn again but finn didn't ask me what computer I have (mac) just stated I was wrong, but there I was with the latest version of VLC and some freshly ripped youtube footage and no go)
I think my other main point of contention was that filesharing and piracy is a crime that we pretend is not, and its not victimless. people can argue about that but they know its true, we just justify it to ourselves.
What were the other points that were clearly stated that I just wouldn't listen to?
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personal slights
not a personal slight, an observable reality which is public knowledge. with so many musicians as friends I was wondering why you'd be keen for them (and it is everyone, not just those signed to majors) to lose that control.
there seemed to be an underlying glee and push for the demise of music's control mechanism, like its a good thing. If I've read you wrong on that then accept my apologies, but its hardly a unique opinion in the lynch mob attack on music rights that is all the rage these days.
music makers and the people that sell their wares are the demons of the moment, and their efforts should be freely circulated, although I note no ones pushing for dentists to work for free, which is too bad cos I've got a loose filling that needs fixing. -
your logic meaning russell's not kyle. you don't have a nationally distributed column do you kyle?
21 pages, only 19 to go.
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In this context, use clearly is a set including both legal and illegal. ie. I'm going to use this music player to play music.
I think its obvious that music rights owners were trying primarily to control the illegal use of their product. to infer that they're trying to infringe on your rights as a legal owner as their primary objective is straight out misleading and incites a situation of negativeness toward people who were only trying to maintain stability in their industry, an industry that's been pretty kind to you personally I might add.
I'm just trying to understand your logic. enlighten me
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Except that they're defining "misuse" to suit themselves.
or to suit their abilities to control their media at that point in time. your attack on DRM was based on you not being able to swap platforms, and for that you were prepared to publicly demonise DRM,
you could have used your position to quell the masses and be the voice of reason for understanding why musicians and their labels might want to control distribution of media, why its a good thing for music creation to have a solid viable business model, I'm just wondering if you've taken on board anything along those lines. -
What on earth are you on about?
I'm asking you a question. Are you still pushing for unrestricted media having had a chance to discuss in further detail the long term implications for artists of the loss of control of the distribution of their work, or are you still going for the Utopian view that everything's going to be just fine.
I'm just checking to see if you take on anything that anyone else says. hey, I don't have a weekly column in a national mag so it doesn't really matter what I'm seen to say or think.
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just read the listener article on DRM. it was in a doctors waiting room.
the closing sentence was disturbingly misleadingBut one thing is clear. For music at least, attempting to tightly control consumers' use of what they have bought has not only failed to prevent piracy but become more trouble than its worth
Correct me if I'm wrong but were they attempting to control the mis use of their product, not the use of it, ie trying to stop people flicking the product everywhere and to everyone.
Do you really believe that music owners intend to begrudge you the ability to listen to your legally purchased on what ever music playing device you choose?
Do you not understand that the limitations you may have encountered were by products of trying to curb illegal use?and per your article Itunes DRM allows you to flick the purchased music onto 5 of your computers and all of your ipods. how is that compromising your legitimate use other than limiting the platform ie mac vs pc, and that would no doubt be sorted at some future stage (quciktime for pc anyone?, wmv for mac?)
looks to me like you're pushing for illegitimate use under the guise of having your rights infringed.
I note the article was post this discussion forum(12 jan ish). have you changed your view in the last couple of weeks? -
i was thinking along the lines of the fact that it probably costs more to set up and run a club than, say, the powerstation or kings arms. possibly not the best arguement I have ever put forth. did need to put that old hack Robbery in his place though!.
while it is true that I do need to be put in my place you're unlikely to do it with comments like this.
The costs are similar for running the powerstation as for any of your clubs, in fact many club events are put on at rock venues, ie the civic in chch, and many rock events happen at clubs ie ministry in chch.
the production costs are similar ie big PA, but a band has the added costs of microphones large mixer etc and the added hassle of non studio sounds to make a polished product, where as club stuff is already polished when it comes off the disc into speakers.
for some reason punters feel ok paying large prices for dj gigs and not so much for bands so bands find it hard to splash out for big production items like light shows smoke machines and minature replicas of stone henge. its kind of arse about face really cos dj sets cost less to put on but thats' the way it is and there's not much you can do about it.
There's less money coming in so band gigs become less impressive and people want to pay less for them so there's less money to pay for production so band gigs become less impressive and people want to pay less and so on and so on etc.as for the old hack comment, just wait till I get my hip replacement and we'll discuss this further.
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And I never said they deserve me ripping them off because they rip people off.
you may not have personally although saying they've been ripping people off for ages titles the feeling of entitlement etc.
its not necessarily true either.
I'm sure you don't go buying britney albums and those are the sort of releases that have a higher profit margin. indie and alternative releases have a much smaller profit margin if any and there's little or no ripping off going on here.I remember talking to a friend once about flying nun and roger shepherd. the friend said" hmmm, roger, he still owes me money for my bands ep released on flying nun", inferring that he in some way ripped them off.
I asked how much money Roger had criminally withheld from them,
to which they replied about $50.you see how these things get started and for what reason.
Roger was a relentless hard worker for his label and I'm sure if there was $50 spare he would have passed it on to those that earned it, but the truth of the matter was more likely to be there was no money over from the unremarkable ep the band got released through the label but there is still the bad blood 15 years later,