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alright Robbery, the gloves are off,,,,,Did you even read what i said?????? heheheh
I did but you slipped that commonly used false argument onto your otherwise ok sentence and if people keep using it it gives weight to a false argument, and we can't have that now can we, although its probably too late now anyway as many people seem to be happy in the misconception.
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Gilliam Welch has a song called "Everything's for
free" that sums this debate up wellif you'd spelled her name correctly it would have been easier for me to locate it on filesharing sites :)
essentially the lyrics go "somebody figured out they could take my music for free and I'd still make it".
I'm not sure this is actually the case, or if it is the case and gillian still continues to make her music she may well make it for herself and it never sees the light of day.
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I cant say i will miss the big corporates, they have been ripping off artists.......
I'm going to have to slap you over the wrist for a comment like that Samuel. That's the same hollywoodised crap that Dubber tried to feed us a while back and its pretty much rubbish, but it makes a good movie, mini series or musical.
While its true there have been cases of dodgy contracts where stupid bands have got the short end of the deal the reality is most get really boring predictable and fair (as fair as business ever is) contracts and they don't make fuck all out of the deal because they weren't particularly successful. I hate mega corps as much as the next bleeding heart liberal but at least I see them for what they are and understand they're in business to make money, not lose it for a good cause.The old "for too long" argument to justify theft is wrong an it lumps all music in with the music of the few who are under the banner of majors. It clouds the argument and is based on false premises. Don't fall for it and question those who put it forward as a reasonable argument. those people should know better if they're half as informed as they pretend to be.
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Chris Knox does most of his recording in a bedroom with a dodgy 4 track.
chris had a pretty nice reel to reel four track and it was him and doug hood that recorded the clean boodle ep, so the man is quite skilled and after how ever many years of doing it he may profess to be an amateur but he isn't.
as RB pointed out he's made the jump to protools now too.
i see a bit of home recording and the level is pretty bad for the first couple of year. its a steep learning curve.And people pay craploads more money to go hear their band live than they do to buy an album.
for international acts yes, for local bands no. average gig prices are still $10 or under, larger bands 15-30.
They pay more for dj sets which have less people involved.Musicians that have loyal fans who make a 'good' moral decision are probably getting money back from a higher percentage of their music than the rest of the pack.
this is true. the implications for the irresponsible rocker are a bit daunting
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PAsys should have colourable text or something simmilar, to show irony, sarcasm, miscieviousness.
you blew my cover samuel.
I was getting worried people were missing the gist of my conversation,
I'm not condoning or condeming downloading on an individual level and I did say I enjoy the benefits of access to the wealth of audio and visual. I just think one of these things can't last. ie production of new audio or film, or free access to it.
plus I'm a rude prick hiding behind the internet to make cheap shots at strangers, all in the best possible taste of course. -
Without knowing what you mean by sonics...
I use the term sonics to describe the impressiveness of sound.
Theres an electric guitar sound, then there the band helmets guitar sound on 'in the meantime"Those sounds were got through great gear great playing and great recording every step of the way. turn it up and it can flap your drain pipe trousers.
pretty tunes are important, good performance/delivery are important, but bad recording can distract from the greatness of a song or performance, and great recording can make that song shine.
sometimes great recordings come from small things, but mostly it comes from skill and reasonable gear (not necessarily great gear. wonderful things have been done on small budgets, but not normally from novices)
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I think they'll work on building closer connections with fans, because they'll become more aware that it's a moral issue, and if their fans feel close to the band, they're more likely to pay to get the music that the band produces.
We're seeing that now on the local scene. bands routinely sell more of their own product at gigs than stores do.
yes the moral guilt thing is true but over the last 10 years we've seen a moral shift that accepts piracy more. ie 10 years ago, no copying of local, today, not so fussed about it. -
I think more and more bands will be recording music off their own back, using their own systems to mix it, and distribute it online.
if this is the case how do you see the public responding to the drop in sonics in their recorded music?
I've seen a lot of people take the recording studio home, but very few have managed to pull anything sonically competitive out of the box. those that have (minisnap springs to mind) are good because Bassist paul is an experienced audio engineer in his own right.It's actually harder than it looks to get your sounds up to the level that modern audiences expect.
I have seen a conscious rejection of sonics (as opposed to quality which refers to clean hiss free distortion free recording, sonics is big impressive or interesting sounds of instruments) in recordings. CHCH band the Tigertones won a recording package in a band competition from rdu and the station insisted on a radio playable recording. the band actively fought against this pushing for the low fi sound which they did on their following recordings.
The logic to their thinking was that 'well' recorded sounds showed a lack of authenticity in the music, pushed it toward commercial 'funded' recordings and thus challenged the honesty of their sound.
I can see their point with bands like my chemical romance and linkin park putting forward the earnest angst and 4 real image while so clearly being carefully designed and manufactured in a boardroom but a panel of media experts.I guess in a world where we can trust less and less what we see, hear and read you have to trim away the lies in a heavy handed way, but in a way bands that go to such lengths to create authenticity and honesty in their music are manufacturing their image as much as linkin park although it costs the low fi people a hell of a lot less money.
I for one hope people still find a way to make sonically pleasing records.
Their prize package song was radio playable and
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Both terrorism threads got up towards 40 pages I think.
40!!! that's uncrackable.....
sorry,...... I'll get my coat
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But I think we've gone as far as we can go for now. It'll just be more bickering. Agreed?
the QTrax/SpiralFrog thing of yesterday was a really interesting development both for music distribution and the story of DRM. really really interesting that they add their own DRM to essentially files so they're only playable in their application. That's a pretty left field idea I wasn't expecting.