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but redigitising with a decent setup would suffer almost no degradation in quality,
you'd have to ask an audio engineer, and since I am on, converting digital to analogue and back repeatedly makes a grainy rough sound.
if you're not able to break the line circuit (see below) then you have to go analogue audio to mic, and that would be crap.Particularly since your device would presumably have a wire at some point carrying the analog signal to the speakers, in which case you just plug it straight in to the line in/preamp
well as I said I'm not building this thing, just hypothesizing based on known technology.
The designers of the box would have to deal with that. Wireless encrypted technology could deliver the source direct to your headphones or amplifier without any accessible line break.
if its a digital amp then even more so.there is a flaw in the link from amp out to speaker, or onto the headphone speakers. thats higher voltage speaker current coming out of there so you couldn't plug it in direct without a padding device but that is where you could tap the signal. it would be a downgraded signal carrying all the modifications in sound the amp has made to delvier the signal to your speakers, but it would be pretty clean, and as Robbie has said it only takes one or 2 to crack it and make it available. still its a real hassle to re digitise everything, normalise it, trim it, export it label it etc. quite a way away from the just rip it and send situation we've got now.
Its a theory.
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Which has changed what so far? Given that I don't think ISPs can stop this, saying that ISPs are going to try and stop this in France, doesn't disprove anything.
saying that all isps in france are required by law to curtail piracy changes a hell of a lot I think.
They're the connection controllers, everything online goes through them. if you're downloading a lot of content, they investigate, if it pirate content, bam!
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Let's say a million freeloaders, but still 500 vs 50 sales. Same thing.
its still complete speculation. who's to say its not zero sales every time from now on. You don't hear people saying to shop keepers they should give away chocolate bars to stop shoplifting.
The truth is you don't really know.I have heard of an experiment where a label who shall remain nameless gave away 2-4 songs of each artist on their label and advertised this fact.
There was no perceivable increase in sales and internet searches on the artists showed up discussion group talk on where to get the free tracks. no one talked about buying albums. they left it at the free.Thats my real world example. it actually happened. I think that trumps your speculation until you can come up with some figures to prove your point.
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our music, and will download it from elsewhere just because they think you're an arsehole for trying to force them to listen to it through your crappy player.
firstly, its not my music we're talking about, its the industries music. lets keep this theoretical eh. it could just as well be your music or RB's 4 th comeback album (mediaocracy),
secondly, we're talking concepts here, sure they could hack it in an hour but then it wouldn't be a very well design box then would it.
outside of the music industry I've come across unhackable digital media. and its remained unhackable. Ilok, logic audios version 5 (I think, the one before they backed off on their air tight policy to get more people hooked).
Thirdly I may well be an arsehole and thanks for pointing it out in a public forum, but I'm pretty sure the music industry will reach a point where they've been so demonised and lost so much income that they'll try anything. I personally think someone some where can come up with a completely incontinent and uncrackable way to deliver music. yes you could put a mic up to the speaker and re digitise it but that would be the same as a cam video on bit torrent.
to follow up on the uncrackable they would have to make pricing and convenience so easy that you wouldn't waste your time seeking copies.
and thirdly if only a few people are going to the bother sharing it makes them easily trackable (limewire is trackable, ip addresses are visible etc) and bottle necks it. it may not be an air tight drm but it might make it annoying enough to make the legit method more attractive.
and 4th, who says the player has to be crap. it could have dobly and go to 11.
speculation your honor, call to dismiss? fucked if I know,
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Er, yeah, but you seemed to be employing that Radiohead were letting the side down by doing it differently. Should I feel guilty because no printers were troubled in the production of this blog?
in a way yes, but more importantly for the radiohead example its a bad reflection on human nature. give people the chance to do the right thing and a large proportion of them will do the wrong thing.
and thinking about it now I'm slightly skeptical of the 'were just doing it for the fans' rebelion of radiohead. I met thom york once at a sound check. he was really straight up and normal. then the gig started and he was all tortured and broken. interesting.....
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And I'm saying, that world isn't changing, music will continue to be distributed illegally. So that's the competition.
but it is changing. I gave you examples of it with the french situation as reported in the herald article.
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You missed my point.
Would you rather sell 50 copies and have no one pirate your release, or have 10,000 people pirate it and sell 500 copies?
no, I got your point but I had to contemplate whether you were basing your question on the results of the Russell Brown 'greylynn nights' triple live box set sales or if you were just making things up.
it was 5 copies and no pirating, then it was wear a few downloaders, ( a few sounds very friendly and non threatening) now its 10,000 downloaders (the correct ratio if we are to believe what we read).
the thing is there is no proof that there are increased sales as a result of downloads. sure some people buy discs based on hearing pirate music, I know I've done this a great many times, although less and less as the mass population's attitude is pushed toward one of "fuck it, just take it" stance.
your numbers are meaningless and assume that giving it away for free leads to people actually buying it.
I've got a lot of friends who now buy no music. giving it away for free to these people doesn't create 500 sales, it creates no sales. it creates a bill for the artist.
you're saying giving away the results of peoples creative endeavours is good for them yet you present no consistent facts to support this.
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And do they really owe EMI anything after their former label climbed into the hype with a competing box set?
EMI stab Radiohead in the back catalogue
Spurned label releases box set and USB stick of old albums to compete with newly independent band's In Rainbows 'discbox'
After watching their former charges Radiohead give content away for (nigh-on) free and sign with a rival, EMI are hitting back by re-releasing the band's entire back catalogue. The collection will go on sale the same week as the "discbox" of the group's revolutionary album In Rainbows is shipped.
can you spell H..Y..P..E?
in competition with?? how does that work?. ones a new album and ones a collection of back catalogue. they both profit radiohead.
I thought that one was a little obvious.
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And do they really owe EMI anything after their former label climbed into the hype with a competing box set?
Tell me you're not perpetuating the evil record company myth again please Russell. How can we respect your comments on music when you play into these stereotypes and Hollywood created fantasies.
Its EMIs job to sell the radiohead catalogue that they control. That's what radiohead signed up to them for in the first place. why are we supposed to hate them for making a box set of their stuff to work in with the new album? Its business. its the same as all businesses, its there to make product in exchange for money.
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Rob, I get the impression you'd rather sell five copies and have no one get your thing for free than sell 500 and wear a few freeloaders.
but this isn't about me and I don't think I've made a comment from my personal perspective. We're talking about "it". The big picture, and the big picture is made up of a lot of small pictures.
Would I rather sell 5 than none and have 500 out there.
depends
If I was a 40 something media commentator with no known musical talent I'd suggest giving them away to anyone who'd take em. sweeten the pot by paying people to take them. Fuck, i'll take a couple of hundred so I can re use the cd cases,
If I was a young musician with no track record no one had heard before who wanted people to hear my earnest songs about that nasty girl that dumped me, again, the give away model would be a good course of action,
If I was an established artists creating works that took a lot of time and expense to create. maybe the first record I'd accept a loss, but at some point I'd have to say how am I going to keep this ship going.
Do you want a music creating force that is just happy to be heard or do you want them to have respect for their own abilities and believe they're efforts are worth something?
If the musician doesn't believe in the value of their art how can you expect someone else to. So yeah, at some point I would rather only the people that value it enough to respect it with payment got it. if thats 5 people thats the way it is.