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Who pays? Me? Why? I don't want it, it offers no benefit to me.
cry yourself a river. Ilok for protools offers no benefit to me but all their software and plugins that use it are uncrackable. if I want to use em its the game I have to play, and pay for, its annoying but I understand the big picture of why its there. getting angry and 'annoyed\ about it isn't going to change it, but I can push for changes to make it more user friendly, like a bore robustly designed dongle, back autorizations online, etc.
I thought you'd know all about this since you're a tech wiz. -
What you're suggesting with locked-down tamper-proof hardware is a possibility.
gee thanks, you conceded to one point mr king of all knowledge about technology. and that was bleeding obvious cos it was already something you should have known if you knew anything about what you say you know, which I'm seriously doubting.
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Robbery, the "offer the consumer less" is not about offering less than the illegal alternatives, it's about offering them less than they get now. I really do question your ability to actually read what people are writing to you.
your reading comprehension is a little in question too. people have specifically said compared to what they can get for free off the net. I've addressed that specifically,
What is less about a DRM track. its what you get now, only you can work around it, ie the drm doesn't work, but it is supposed to be not copied, even though you can break the law and copy it you know that you are illegally copying it etc. (excluding putting it on your media players which I consider fair use and that seems to be the general trend of the industries thinking too, only the implementation of that makes it difficult for them to maintain control over their material at present. lets hope they fix that so you can all calm down.
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As I keep saying to you, the solutions you desire involve the complete replacement of the modern PC as a media platform. It would need to be totally redesigned, and everybody's existing machines replaced.
why? let computers do computing, and remove them from the media playing platform. ipods are small enough for people to have a computer and an ipod or similar media player in the same space. why does a computer have to be your media platform too. yes they have intersected but they don't need to stay that way.
Who is going to pay for that? Are you going to buy me a new PC?
no, you'll keep your pc although you upgrade it every couple of years to keep pace with technology. you'll buy a media player if you want access to new music, if not, enjoy the same music for the rest of eternity (this is all hypothetical anyway finn, and you don't seem comfortable with that so I suggest you stick to the here and now, unchangable forever.
Why would I want one that clearly sucks more than the design I have now?
cos you're a pawn for corporations to make money off and you'll do what your told and take what you're given, just like you always have, just like the rest of us. What? you think you're special??
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The problem, as we keep explaining to you and as you appear to be mentally unable to grasp, is that you are giving the key to the listener in order for them to be able to listen to the media. If you don't give them the key in some way, they can't listen to it.
come on finn, don't be a cock.
have you not used a computer game where the key is the disc you install it off. the game doesn't work without it.
of course you're giving them the key but then if you give a copy of the media to someone you also have to give em a copy of the key. one degree harder than just copying the media. I don't know what you do for a living but you don't seem to have much experience in a variety of already existing copy protect. -
You can stand in front of an incoming tidal wave and shout that you're going to sue it all you like, but don't be surprised when it just washes you away and flattens your house...
sorry to upset you finn. I don't know what you've been reading but its obviously not my posts cos I've been discussing the implications of long term piracy, advances in and changes in technology etc as well as this tidal wave unstoppable or not. you on the otherhand are stuck on this glorious wave thing. thats way to one dimensional so how bout you make it a little more interesting and open up the discussion a little. I've introduced quite a few different themes for you , linked to a few recent news items and insulted some media authorities, what have you bout to the table except the same rhetoric and a degree of annoyance. if you're so sure leave it at that, why should my comments unsettle you in your unwaivering belief.
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Who's going to pay for those devices? The consumer? Why?
cos they have no choice. why do they by ipods that won't let them upload tracks. cos thats a modification that was made to them at the request of music people and thats what happened. you have no choice.
if you want to play the music game then you play buy the rules of the people who provdie this stuff.And why would they buy a device with no analogue output given that uh... it would be impossible to listen to?
wireless connection, encrypted signal, lateral thinking finn, this technology is already around. you got wireless head phones haven't you?
it may not save the massive library of music already out in the ether but it could be applied to future recordings quite easily,
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Maybe one of the big pushes of piracy is the ipod/personal music player, which itself is interesting: music is generally a public sound, and we want to share it. With the personal players, in a sense copying it becomes the means of sharing- rather than blasting your mate with the stereo, you dump it on his mp3 player.
Actually the ipod isn't the sharing device it once was. its a one way device that you can't upload off. you can only put stuff into it and that came about via negotiations with the music industry to stop a potentially bad piracy issue. and an ipod will only sync with its mother itunes or itunes will only sync with its ipod etc. these anti piracy sharing initiatives have already been put in place as a result of pressure from media owners.
The computer is the sharing mechanism.
personally as a previous taper I acknowledge the social importance of making tapes for friends, and there is a difference between that and putting music in your share folder in limewire and letting strangers grab it.
in the age of Digital Audio Tape (DAT) there was a serial copy management system which would let you make one copy from an original source. you could not copy from a copy unless you went analogue and converted again. that would be an interesting feature which would satisfy the share urge but limit the scope of it. all of that could easily be put into an audio file and player.itunes as a mp3 maker which is always upgrading could make it as part of its make up. you could stick with your non serila copy management version of itunes and never update again, but most won't.
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What annoys me about your position
finn, you've got to chill out man. learn to enjoy life a little more.
for all you know i might actually have some experience and insight into the industry, I have posted links to articles which have in the last few days done exactly what I said might happen (internet provders forced to stem downloaders, new drm for dvd, etc,) you on the other hand just get annoyed. stop taking things so personally and learn to discuss concepts and ideas to find the answer not merely satisfy your own need to win. -
Vis-a-vis the technological approaches you mention: as people keep saying: they all offer the consumer less.
Thats wrong too. you can't compare drm to what you get from an illegal downloads cos you're not actually entitled to the download and its not something you've paid for or are getting as a service. its something you're breaking the law for and at the moment you're getting away with it cos the powers that be haven't got their shit together to stop it yet.
But there are ways. The above posted article that the academy awards screeners now come with special software to play it and if you rip it its tagged with the owners name so if pirated copies do turn up they know it came from you.
What finn doesn't get is technology can change in the future. When you buy music in the future it could be encrpyted, only playable with a key, have the purchasers id put through it for tracking, be playable on devices that have no analogue output and no way of easily copying it other than an analogue microphone recording.
Internet providers could be required by law to assist in the stemming of file sharing as they just have in france. and a bunch of other things not yet thought of. and yes all of that might make music participation a little more difficult, or it might be transparent and the only difference you'll notice is you can't give you music to all your friends or more importantly let complete strangers download it from your share folder. and it'll be like that cos there will be no other way cos humans just aren't like they used to be, got no sense of fair play I tell ya.