Posts by Nick Shand
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wow cool promotional mash up .... creative peeps and geeks have been mobilised.
Promises to be a good time and smiling people will remember how and why solidarity can be good while politely voicing opposition to the bad. This is becoming exciting to watch. The bad may even show up. All be it, in small numbers of angry raving trolls waving placards and shouting treason through tired megaphones like a sad kiwiana version of the West Borough Baptist Church.
Now all we extras in this grandstand need IS.... an appropriate name to encapsulate this new form of industrial reaction.
- rationale flash mob democracy
- the unlikely to riot squad
- damage control democracy
- the democratic movement of mindful extras -
@Jaymax you may not know that there are 3 separate threads from RB on public address covering the various stages/acts of this debacle to date. Please do not feel the need to read all of the combined discussions. You prove by the exerts you posted that you to have a good handle on a confusing and highly volatile situation.
I hope I am not alone in saying that I have no interest in learning anything more about Simon Whipp. He signed his name to a member alert, went on holiday, chose not to talk to NZ media and chose not to speak with upset techies worried for their livelihoods. May he now stay out of the NZ scene as he is not someone I would respectfully like to meet in a dark alleyway.
I am interested in learning about damage control and the rational conciliatory steps good peeps are taking to help rescue the Hobbit, the industry and many 'hard yakka' dream jobs for New Zealand. Loyalty at its finest.
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well there be accountability afoot in nz he he he
the former NZ EA choose to bypass democratic process so now democratic process is seeking to bypass them
a new actors union is forming somewhere on facebook. E-mails are flowing and numbers are growing.
the loyalty driven flash mob strikes back and I wish them all the best.
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I think that pretty much sums it up.
yup .... and if you told me a month ago that this story would have a scene where a 1000+ geek driven flash mob will form to politely storm a Wellington actors union meeting .... I would have exclaimed "You're shitting me!"
Please allow me to congratulate them fine peeps
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@Jacqui - The international affiliates of AE posted this notice on their very public website member alert message boards. PJ likely responded to the notice and not any actual stalled contract negotiation. The public notice in itself implies PJ has mistreated workers in someway and this implication required an immediate response.
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@Jacqui it is more like saying "thanks for the offer, we are really interested, but can you talk to the New Zealand actors union first, whoever they are?" thus granting AE leverage to call meetings and attain a greater mandate than they had before to negotiate on behalf of all NZ actors.
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Quite frankly they wont go away.
This it what I tell the kids I teach about trolls on the internet. Every response they get feeds them.
Yet a trolls 'devils advocate' posturing inflames forum participants to rationally account for the position they are debating. And these accounts make for interesting reading as they add quality and quantity to the thread narrative.
The former NZ EA executive would do well to appoint someone the role of devils advocate within their committee meetings. They would do so in an effort to avoid future group think errors.
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The rebranding from NZEA to MEAA – NZ stepping out of one constitution into another would need to follow the process in the original constitution and is likely not to have happened the way it should have.
Just to expand on this thought with 2 points.
1) the process for changing the constitution for the newly listed MEAA is the unaminous consent of attendees to an all members meeting (AGM or SGM)
2) elected executives that bypasses their own constitution in my experience have very limited accountability. They will manipulate every thing they can to protect their position of power. The best someone who seeking accountability can do is embarrass them in the hopes that they will resign. Such things are not pretty. Personal attacks are the norm
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but I may be mistaken about that
The former NZ EA executive have spent far too much time convincing each other of their own reasonableness that it reasonates in everything they say but not in everything they have done to date.
Is it reasonable that 8-12 elected union representatives can initiate an international boycott (that is proving difficult to rescind) all in an effort to have a 'conversation' about New Zealand-wide collective terms and conditions with one film maker who believes he can't legally negotiate that kind of conversation?
On the bright side solidarity has been seen to be alive and well in NZ ha raaaa .... unlike Mr Whipp who did not look well or lively.
I think it will be reasonably cloudy and sunny tomorrow on Lonely mountain but I may be mistaken about that
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I'm sorry to get so angry
your expression of anger is more than tolerable. I thankyou for adding to the discussion