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  • Ross Mason,

    James Butler: If only there were more lecturers like that in other subjects. But not only uni but all through schools and polytechs. We would all be better informed. Not just the lucky few.

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1479 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    And: Short motorcycle detours to the Galapagos anyone?

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1479 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Ross Mason,

    Wanna know where the hydrogen explosion comes from.

    Yup, the hydrogen comes from the water used as coolant, reacting with zirconium. But Karl Grossman has not suggested a better alternative, and there's a good reason they use water, it doesn't get activated by the radiation, so it can be vented.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8305 posts Report Reply

  • Lea Barker,

    Just to let you know... The 9pm news on my local SF Bay Area ABC affiliate is reporting that they called a pharmacy in Santa Cruz (just down the peninsula but on the coast) and were told there's been a run on iodine tablets. That was then followed by a totally un-reassuring weather reporter explaining what the jet stream is and what it does. And how long it might or might not take for radioactive particles to get here.

    Now, to be sure, Santa Cruz actually suffered some damage from Friday's tsunami--about 20 small boats were smacked about or sunk by "the toilet bowl effect" of 2-foot waves entering the small bay.

    But I'm predicting the nuclear panic will spread, however unlikely it is that we will actually get much radioactivity here in California. Does anyone know if much was carried here after the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings?

    Oakland, CA • Since Nov 2006 • 45 posts Report Reply

  • Jim Cathcart,

    Running out of iodine tablets in Japan. Rumors are rife with radiation being recorded even in the areas such as Nara. Stock market in chaos. The following letter is from Eric Johnston:

    Dear All,
    The situation in Tokyo appears grim today. Rumours are flying fast, and seperating fact from fiction is ever-more difficult. But the Fukushima nuclear plant is in deep trouble, and it is growing increasingly likely that there will be the beginnings of a mass exodus from the Kanto region. We are hearing that the France embassy has already advised people to leave the region. Regardless, the rumours alone are going to cause people who can to flee the region.

    The prefectures of Kansai said yesterday they would be willing to take in refugess from the quake and tsunami, but we, all of us, need to think about what we might do to help our region cope with the possibility of a mass influx of people to Kyoto, Osaka, and Kobe, even for a short period of time. I have no suggestions at present, but just wanted to share my thoughts with you all. Keep watching the news and Japanese government websites, and let's hope for the best.

    Eric

    Since Nov 2006 • 116 posts Report Reply

  • Jody Fanning, in reply to Lea Barker,

    Pharmacies in Finland have run out of iodine tablets as well. Seems that hysteria is contagious. YLE News

    Finland • Since Mar 2008 • 5 posts Report Reply

  • DeepRed,

    Already there's been mention of the China Syndrome. Not in the actual syndrome itself, but more the official cover-ups.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 4060 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16277 posts Report Reply

  • Maurine,

    Confirming French citizens have been advised by their Embassy to evacuate the region ... Ironic when you think France has the second largest number of nuclear plants in the world after the US (19 vs 17 in Japan).

    Auckland • Since Oct 2010 • 2 posts Report Reply

  • Ross Mason,

    Notes in other post as well

    6m22s of tsunami

    Upper Hutt • Since Jun 2007 • 1479 posts Report Reply

  • SteveH, in reply to Maurine,

    Ironic when you think France has the second largest number of nuclear plants in the world after the US (19 vs 17 in Japan).

    Not only that, but they weren't too bothered about fallout from the atmospheric tests they continued to do for 11 years after the US and USSR had stopped.

    Since Sep 2009 • 343 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews, in reply to SteveH,

    Not only that, but they weren’t too bothered about fallout from the atmospheric tests they continued to do for 11 years after the US and USSR had stopped.

    Those French people had darker skin I believe.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6148 posts Report Reply

  • Hadyn Green,

    It kinda makes sense to evacuate. Even if you don't think it'll go to a full meltdown, move people now just in case.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2081 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    Article this morning show radiation up to 400,000 microservets around one reactor measured yesterday. This report also has small, but somewhat scary, chart of levels at which serious risk to human health and life could be expected.

    Radiation hazard detected / Massive leak feared after fire at spent nuclear fuel pool.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    things have got serious:

    9:07pm... Apple said it is delaying its launch of the iPad 2 in Japan. "We are delaying the launch of the iPad 2 in Japan while the country and our teams focus on recovering from the recent disaster," said Apple spokeswoman Natalie Kerris.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4361 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Hadyn Green,

    It kinda makes sense to evacuate. Even if you don't think it'll go to a full meltdown, move people now just in case.

    Also, it's one thing to evacuate a small bunch of ex-pats, quite another to evacuate the population of a region as densely populated as Japan.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8305 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Lea Barker,

    Hiroshima and Nagasaki were airbursts, with the device exploding 580m above the ground.. Most of the radiation was produced by the actual explosion event - there was a very limited amount of persistent fallout (mainly from the fission products of the reaction).

    That's the reason the cities could be rebuilt and repopulated so quickly.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4361 posts Report Reply

  • Jim Cathcart,

    Also, it’s one thing to evacuate a small bunch of ex-pats, quite another to evacuate the population of a region as densely populated as Japan.

    At least 125,000 people have been evacuated from Fukushima, but you're right in that it's difficult to move people from Ibaraki, Gunma, Tochigi, or even Chiba. However, what is bothering people is that they don't have the information to make an informed decision for themselves of for those they are responsible for.

    Since Nov 2006 • 116 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    As Kevin Rose and others have pointed out, Apple did a good thing by turning its Japanese retail stores into community hubs for people who needed information and electricity for their devices. Even after they closed on the first day, people were apparently gathering outside to use the free wi-fi.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18512 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    Nice simple explanation of the meltdown process from Al Jazeera.

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 1435 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark,

    Apparently people have been getting txts on their phones (I don't know who from) warning that if it rains in NZ, people should be staying inside, cos you don't want to know about that ACID RAIN. Please.

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3121 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Jackie Clark,

    Apparently people have been getting txts on their phones (I don't know who from)

    Ken Ringtone?.
    Fnah Fnah

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 4613 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    Has this been posted here yet? Turns out 'MIT Scientist' is in the same category as 'leading expert' and 'unqualified opinion'. At least I wasn't the first to link to it.

    Perhaps Thawte could do an electronic certificate system to show when someone claiming expertise actually has any.

    (Disclaimer: Link from Twitter ;-)

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • recordari,

    ETA: Following through the links (learning), the actual MIT Nuclear department has reviewed and revised the post.

    AUCKLAND • Since Dec 2009 • 2607 posts Report Reply

  • Fooman, in reply to recordari,

    Has this been posted here yet? Turns out 'MIT Scientist' is in the same category as 'leading expert' and 'unqualified opinion'. At least I wasn't the first to link to it.

    See this link discussing that in detail.

    Precis:

    What was an article about nuclear safety by a MIT risk analysis expert is now a joint article by a MIT risk analysis expert and MIT Department of Nuclear Science and Engineering experts.

    Cheers,
    FM

    Lower Hutt • Since Dec 2009 • 86 posts Report Reply

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