The bizarre and confusing timeline of Cameron Slater's feelings about Hell Pizza ...
By 2011, Slater says Hell has been "persecuting" and "vilifying" Hotchin and founder Warren Powell is "scum".
In May 2012, he complains that the makers of a Sunday report "pursued a story irrespective of the facts with the pre-supposed idea that Hell and in particular Warren Powell and the other directors were bad bastards. They did no research into the backgrounds of those they featured and ignored evidence when it was offered to them by independent third parties."
So they're the good guys now. Curiously, May 2012 is also when Slater began his crazy, abusive vendetta against former Hell Pizza marketing manager Matt Blomfield, using a hard drive of Blomfield's emails apparently provided to him by Powell and others.
Does Carrick Graham fit in anywhere here?
A problem which is not helped at all by various Western discourses* that actually limit the scope of the Saudi government, which may be imperilled when seen to be giving in to Infidels. Indeed the current witch hunting does seem to look like that similarly political vehicle of Catholicism The Inquisition.
Which took place in the 12 and 13th centuries.
The current surge in executions in Saudi Arabia -- for such crimes as sorcery, apostasy and adultery -- seems like a grotesque throwback. As the UN pointed out:
“The trials are by all accounts grossly unfair. Defendants are often not allowed a lawyer and death sentences were imposed following confessions obtained under torture. The method of execution then aggravates a situation that is already totally unacceptable."
A month ago we learned that the Saudis have been snatching apostates off the streets of New Zealand and forcibly repatriating them. And our government responds thus:
Labour's Phil Goff has written to Immigration Minister Michael Woodhouse and Police Minister Anne Tolley asking what follow-up action officials had taken to get to the bottom of what happened.
Woodhouse and then-Ethnic Affairs Minister Judith Collins refused to comment, saying it was a matter for police. Tolley said police "have not raised any concerns about issues such as these".
I mean, can we get even a little condemnation up in here?
People say that every time, but it’s never true. People worry about what they’re doing, but they’ve still killed fewer people in the last year in that region than the US has.
The US hasn't killed very many people in Syria and Iraq in the last year, although the body count will be rising quickly with Raqqa being bombed.
Islamic's State's predecessor, Al Qaeda in Iraq, killed a hell of a lot of people, so indiscriminately that even the local Sunnis were prepared to drive them out. There are no easy answers -- beyond "don't invade Iraq in 2003".
The cops don’t need to be corrupt for this to be a bad thing. They don’t need to be intentionally chilling speech for them to be chilling speech.
This story on The Guardian website today is also apposite: The Isis propaganda war: a hi-tech media jihad
…although I think the stolen hard drive that Slater received would be. Although I don’t think it was proven that it was stolen.
No, not proven. But Justice Asher ventured that that seemed to be the case in his decision.
Unless he witnessed the crime, that holds little water. Getting information from someone else is not a crime.
If I had five bucks for every numbskull right-winger who's demanded on the internet today that Hager be prosecuted for "receiving stolen property" ...
Is this anonymous?
It can be if you like. Just tick the box.
Good for Rawshark. Based on what happened with The Hollow Men material and the material taken or leaked from Shandwick – the pr firm dealing with GM clients – in Nicky Hager’s other books, he or she is looking reasonably safe.
I take Hager at his word that this is the first time he's made use of hacked information, but you've highlighted the fact that most "unofficial" information will be "stolen" to some degree. It annoys me seeing one or two journalists whove made great use of leaks in the past seeming to forget that.
If the police chose not to investigate this high-profile case what precedent would that set?
Could you point me to the people in the thread who are saying the complaint shouldn't have been investigated? You keep saying this.
You implied this kind of police action against Hager was business as usual, but you couldn't name another incident involving a journalist. Could you just not admit that it's unusual and probably unprecedented?