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Speaker: TPPA: It's Extreme

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  • FletcherB,

    Or sham-pagne… or is that just for the really nasty ones that are not “méthode traditionnelle”? :)

    West Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 819 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    I like "bubbly"

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 17937 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    The Maori word for ‘bubbly’ is ‘mirumiru’ (that’s Kati Porou/Kai Tahu – it’s also a bird name)…

    “sham-pagne” was one of the losers in that particular contest-

    I notice lot of younger people asking for "I'll have some bubbles/bubbly please" instead of any variation of 'champane'-

    I rather suspect the market for the brand 'champagne' has kinda gone by the board-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to DeepRed,

    James Joyce died in 1941, so that means his works would theoretically come under public domain this year. At least according to EU copyright law.

    The counting starts at 1 January of the year following the creator's death, so it's next year not this.
    In the US, courtesy of the Mickey Mouse Protection Act, Joyce's work won't enter the public domain for, potentially, nearly three decades (depending when it was published). And if Disney manage to buy yet another extension, could be longer. Hell, if the MAFIAA get their way Joyce might never enter the public domain in the US - or the EU, given that that jurisdiction didn't just extend copyright terms they also revived expired ones! If that doesn't exemplify how much of a joke the idea of copyright as mutually-beneficial has become, I don't know what does.

    The pit from whence crawl… • Since Mar 2007 • 3990 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2484 posts Report Reply

  • JoJo, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    For an accessible (I think) introduction to the TPPA, there's also No Ordinary Deal: Unmasking the Trans-Pacific Partnership Free Trade Agreement, by Jane Kelsey (ed).

    Wellington • Since Jul 2008 • 95 posts Report Reply

  • Rick Shera,

    The reason why NZ producers of bubbles do not describe it as champagne has nothing to do with GIs in a Trade Mark Act sense. It is because the Champagne area producers succeeded in a passing off/Fair Trading Act case against Wineworths back in the early 90s. That is why MED (which is in charge of the IP section of the TPPA) says that NZ law already deals with the issue. So, they conclude we already comply with TRIPs and need not introduce specific GI provisions into our trade mark law. MED actually has a useful summary of the current law on GIs at http://www.med.govt.nz/templates/Page____1203.aspx (which has a citation for the Wineworths case for anyone interested).

    Auckland • Since Feb 2008 • 23 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2316 posts Report Reply

  • chris,

    Bringing this over from another thread:

    He said the secrecy around negotiations was not something to be worried about, given that was how all Free Trade Agreements came about

    Key used an example of selling a house worth $600,000 for $500,000 and telling the media.

    “Are you really telling me you would go to the paper and say ‘for sale, one house – $600,000, wink-wink, nudge-nudge if you offer me $500,000 I’ll take it’?

    “No one does that.”

    Perhaps someone can help me understand what the Prime Minister is getting at with this. Why is he selling the house for less than it’s worth? Why is he concerned about advertising that sale on the media if he’s already decided to take less than it’s worth? Couldn’t advertising a property at a reduced price generate interest and possibly ignite a bidding war? I can understand that outside Auckland, Christchurch, South Otago, properties are still selling at around GV, so I guess we’re talking about houses elsewhere, but why sell a house below GV? Why not hold out for a better deal? Why the urgency? Is selling the house a metaphor for selling the country? How is signing a deal for ongoing trade in any way comparable to selling a house? Is it that he has no clue how what the TPPA is or is this a plain sight admission that he’s selling us out? Who is the preferred buyer? Why is he choosing to sell to that buyer at a loss rather than open the sale up to the wider market? What are his accommodation plans once the house has sold below GV? Is he relocating somewhere with cheaper real estate? Is he suggesting others might prefer to sell the house to the paper? Is he against papers’ buying the house? Was he sober when he spoke at the luncheon? Were the Nelson Tasman Chamber of Commerce receptive to this metaphor?

    “If you believe the protesters of TPPA you’d think this was a great revolutionary you’ve never heard of before – [that’s] nonsense.

    Does the TPPA metaphorically contain a persona, kind of like Che Guevara? Is there a perception in the community that elements in the TPPA are similar to someone like Che Guevara? Did the Nelson Tasman Chamber of Commerce raise concerns that the TPPA or elements therein may be compared with someone unknown but bearing similarities with the likes of Guevara, Trotsky or Lenin? Which revolutionary does the TPPA threshold most resemble? Have protesters been making noises comparing the TPPA to a revolutionary? When comparing the TPPA to a revolutionary was it a revolutionary that John Key had never heard of or a revolutionary that the Nelson Chamber of Commerce have never heard of? Were either the GCSB or SIS used to garner intelligence as to exactly which revolutionaries the Nelson Tasman Chamber of Commerce has collectively never heard of? Is it nonsense that this feature of the TPPA is a revolutionary that we’ve never heard of before? Is it nonsense that we think elements in the TPPA may be a revolutionary we’ve never heard of before when we actually have? Is it nonsense that we believe the protesters think the right of companies to sue the Government as advanced within TPPA was a great revolutionary? Is it all nonsense? Is any of it not nonsense? Is it that John Key wants to sell a house for less than it’s worth because it contains a revolutionary we’ve never heard of, or is it that John Key wants to sell a house below market value because protesters say it’s accommodating a revolutionary we’ve never heard of? Is the revolutionary renting or squatting? If the great revolutionary we’ve never heard of is renting then how long will it be until the lease expires? Would any of the above details be flexible were the revolutionary less great? If he could somehow evict the revolutionary would he be able to ask for market value for his property? In this metaphor what exactly does the revolutionary stand for? Have any other features of the agreement been personified? How did the Nelson Tasman Chamber of Commerce respond to all this? Is this a failure of journalism or public speaking?

    Mawkland • Since Jan 2010 • 1171 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    See here for a live stream of the planned press conference later today from Atlanta:

    Why does it not surprise me that the video is private.

    The wireless north ;-) • Since Dec 2006 • 5299 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald, in reply to Steve Barnes,


    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 641 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh,


    Why anybody thought you could let some of the world's biggest protectionists in and still call it a free trade agreement I do not understand.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2313 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    That link’s broken Chris.


    There. I fixed it.

    You'll have to cut and paste that one because the PAS system screws it up. Sort of like the Nats have just done to the country.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 587 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 5947 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Cutting and pasting my link does work, and it looks so much more appropriate in the browser address bar. ;-)

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 587 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Alfie,

    Groser (gets us) Jack…

    Cutting and pasting my link does work…

    That’s interesting to know for future reference, that just the first bits of the url/address finds the rest, hmmm

    ‘Grocer Tim’ won’t let us down, he will get off his back and feed the town…
    Yeah, Nah!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 5947 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    That’s interesting to know for future reference, that just the first bits of the url/address finds the rest, hmmm

    Yep… with Stuff only, just tack the story number onto the end of the .co.nz/ and you can give it any name you like. It results in some very interesting links. ;-)

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 587 posts Report Reply

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