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  • BenWilson,

    Well yes -- I'd imagine it was quite traumatic for her, realising her beloved grandson was in fact Beelzebub.
    Begone with your black sorcery!

    Sure looked that way. But I think it was more of a case of just feeling frightened and small in the face of the vast and implacable march of technology. A whole Encyclopedia Brittanica set was actually an object of educational value not that long ago. Now it's just a collector's item, or kindling.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 8521 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Soon he may have better internet than you.

    I'm still thinking about the Simpsons dad. Way are the Simpsons lads and dads so, stupid?

    Since Nov 2006 • 2745 posts Report Reply

  • Joanna,

    Not taking anything away from either party or your praise Che & Jo but, um, aren't they both just, well, talking to customers.

    Did we really need "social media" to (re-learn how to) talk with customers?

    I seem to recall my newsagent in Wales doing that a lot. Oh, and the guy at the pub. And the lady in the fish and chip shop (my great aunt), she was always nattering to "the customer" ...

    The difference here Mike is that in your example, it'd be like you could go to the chip shop and talk to the guy who was vice president of the trawling company that caught the fish, or the Marketing Manager of the brewery at the pub. You don't normally get to have a direct response from those people.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 727 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    Hey! Where's my gravy cat gone?

    Manawatu City • Since Nov 2006 • 1310 posts Report Reply

  • mike.riversdale,

    the Marketing Manager of the brewery at the pub

    *shudder* .... no, they didn't exist when I was going to pubs in Wales in my youth ... they made beer, I bought beer, I drank bee, we talked (not always about beer). The difference was in step 1 - THEY made beer and nt "marketed beer"

    <quote>You don't normally get to have a direct response from those people.</quote?>
    But we did (on this very blog fandangle) ... maybe it's our expectations on what is "allowed" and not what people CAN do ...

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 18 posts Report Reply

  • mike.riversdale,

    </quote?>

    - darn my quote tag-less

    But, gives me a chance to say - well done Luke/Epic Beer for getting back to the old fashioned way of doing it (using teh interwebs).

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 18 posts Report Reply

  • InternationalObserver,

    he'll be clearly indicated in my next talk to public servants about "how to make social media work for your business".

    Not taking anything away from either party or your praise Che & Jo but, um, aren't they both just, well, talking to customers.

    Did we really need "social media" to (re-learn how to) talk with customers?

    I see from your paltry 5 posts Mike that you're a Newbie (unlike myself with a magnificent 820) (actually scratch that, since only 5 of mine have been relevant to the topic in hand) ... but let me 'school' you anyway: The first rule of [redacted] is never to talk about [redacted]. But PAS is not [redacted] so feel free to talk about PAS - and by extension the wondrous glory that is the internet. And part of the wondrous glory that is the internet is PAS. So by extension we must give thanks and praise to PAS and by extension Russel Brown, who created PAS. He is The Creator. In order to encourage others to experience the wondrous glory that is the internet/PAS so that they too may give thanks and praise to PAS/RB we must give thanks and praise to those 'outsiders' who deign to enter this hallowed PAS because in doing so they are acknowledging this glorious and wonderful thing that we've known about since like, forever. Like Goths auditioning for American Idol we hate the MSM but only until they acknowledge us, at which point we only pretend to hate them (for taking so long to acknowledge us). PAS is currently like a really cool nighclub that plays all the right music. It's the internet version of a danceparty (when danceparty's were cool) but we all know what happened there. The masses 'discovered' clubbing and then 'the marketeers' turned up and killed it. Luckily for PAS, thus far, RB is still on the door ... I could go on (and on) but there's a helicopter overhead and I can't see it. (When you can hear a helicopter right above your house at 2am but can't see it, it's best to hide in bed)

    International Observer, my apologies for the misquote. It was Rich of Observationz I was quoting.

    Heh heh - I suspected as much. I tried reading Rich's posts but he had made so many... but your clue should have been that the comment was both cogent and coherant :)

    Since Jun 2007 • 909 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Hosking,

    Well, I had a go, but after it disastrously ruined my database of "your mum" jokes in testing, I decided to scrap it :(
    "A mainstream consumer is so fat, when I told her to haul arse, she had to make two trips."

    This dates me, but when I went for an evening walk after reading that I found myself humming 'your mainstream consumer don' t dance/and your daddy don't rock n roll...'

    Sorry about that.

    South Roseneath • Since Nov 2006 • 803 posts Report Reply

  • Judi Lapsley Miller,

    Russell said

    Although I suspect I'll still use my own mum , mentally, as a benchmark for product usability. I just won't talk about it ...

    .

    Hey Russ - I've no problem with you using your Mum - just say what you mean and say "my mum". Then you only have to answer to her ;-)

    The danger of saying "your mum" is that everyone then inserts their own specific example or stereotype, which may or may not make any sense in the context.

    (I'm looking forward to some unbundling down in Wgtn - trying to be a knowledge-wave exporter in the 'burbs with only xtra as an option can be a bit frustrating some times...)

    Cheers,

    Judi

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 100 posts Report Reply

  • Judi Lapsley Miller,

    Oh - and you can leave the naughty step now ;-)))

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 100 posts Report Reply

  • Maureen Gallie,

    I am a real newbie here,and I have never laughed so much.Thank you all.

    Russell/Hamiltonxtra • Since Mar 2008 • 11 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Huntington,

    Well it has really begun! Travelling through Pt Chev last weekend I saw the beginnings of the first Telecom Cabinet installations there, only slightly behind schedule. Roll on Grey Lynn I can't wait!
    Now the question is will any other operators have access to those cabinets and the final loop? Perhaps the probable changes to environmental regulations will allow rows of cabinets resplendent in competitors livery.. or maybe not. Bitstream and perhaps access for private backhaul from the exchange nodes then i guess.
    I wonder how long the backup power supply will last in those cabinets? Ooh I'd hate to be without the interweb in a power crisis.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 3 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    PAS is currently like a really cool nighclub that plays all the right music. It's the internet version of a danceparty (when danceparty's were cool) but we all know what happened there. The masses 'discovered' clubbing and then 'the marketeers' turned up and killed it. Luckily for PAS, thus far, RB is still on the door ..

    And on the decks, pouring the drinks, propping up the bar and cutting some moves on the dancefloor. It is a bit like DJing, I think. And I have always had a facility for management of parties that is absent from some other important aspects of my life.

    And then sometimes, of course, I drop that 'Your Mum' tune and Jo throws her drink over me and we have a bracing argument.

    The funny thing is, the bouncers at this bar are discreet to the point of invisible. The thing that makes PAS safe for ministers and spokespeople to visit -- no drunken nutters spoiling for a fight -- may actually be the same thing that keeps the drunken nutters away.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18881 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    I seem to recall my newsagent in Wales doing that a lot. Oh, and the guy at the pub. And the lady in the fish and chip shop (my great aunt), she was always nattering to "the customer" ...

    Good point.

    The difference here Mike is that in your example, it'd be like you could go to the chip shop and talk to the guy who was vice president of the trawling company that caught the fish, or the Marketing Manager of the brewery at the pub. You don't normally get to have a direct response from those people.

    That to,

    and if you scroll up to the Monteith,s advertisement then click on it, you will be doing a little bit more than talking about beer, fish and chips.

    An area of the internet that interests me, is altho in it's commercial capacity, it's an extension of television, radio and print media or rather an amalgamation. It's the interactivity aspect that opens new psychology in creative communication. Alfred Hitchcock would have liked it.

    What's even more interesting about this particular forum, is that it's proving to be so reputable that as InternationalObserver wisely pointed out, is becoming at risk of becoming mainstream media.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2745 posts Report Reply

  • daleaway,

    As I seem to be the oldest woman on PAS (?), it falls to me to explain why the older generation takes technology with a pinch of salt, or not at all. The reasons are several fold.

    First, there’s Indifference to Cool. Strange as it may seem to approval-seeking youth, Cool is something you’ll eventually abandon as pointless effort. Lacking peer group pressure to demonstrate your ineffable coolness, you pick and choose what innovations are really of appeal and use to you. You learn them on a need to know basis. You ask are they there to enhance the way I already live my life, or just to place extra demands on me and make things more complicated? As we used to sing in the 1960s, got along without you before I met you, gonna get along without you now. But then middle age also means no longer wanting to live your life with a musical backdrop, so that pressing need disappears as well. Wants and needs become more distinguishable as you grow older.

    Secondly, there’s Innovation Fatigue. By the time my generation had reached serious middle age, we’d already endured umpteen changes of technology and learned roughly a squillion new operating systems, rules and instructions. We’ve had to learn new ways of running everything from household appliances, to voting and accessing government systems and healthcare, weights and measures, currency, transport, etc and not once but many times over. As soon as we become expert in something, our new expertise is rendered useless (this joy lies ahead of all you young techies - hee hee). We’ve learned to box canny, and wait for new technology to settle in, simplify itself, and cost less. Which most of it does, unless engineers and accountants have made a pact with the devil and are working in unison to make life more complicated and expensive. Oh, wait…

    (Digressing into Daleaway Brain Theory, I’ll just pick up a point for those of you who think that the brain is capable of infinite expansion. Bugger that. The brain is a brimming cup of soup, and if you splosh an extra fact into it, some slops out over the other side. Learn ephemera like a new programming system for a mobile phone, for example, and you instantly forget something of lasting importance, like your brother’s birthday or where you left the secateurs.)

    We’ve learned to pace ourselves. What’s the hurry? Our perspective tends to be that if something’s going to be the real answer to a problem, it will endure. Let some other mug get it through its teething troubles. The second mouse gets the cheese. Just give us a call when it’s all established and running properly. Our time is valuable.

    Thirdly, there’s the Bog Off factor. A lot of the new communications gadgetry just allows people to get in your face and on your nerves, by proxy. Frankly, you’ve got better things to do than accept their badgering to join their Friends on a web page and read all about them. If they have something to say to you, they should ring or write and engage you in two-way conversation - it’s rude to stand on your mountaintop sounding off about you with the world as your audience. And then there’s never being out of contact with your job - who dreamed up that nightmare, I wonder? Stop giving the world licence to annoy you. Be yourself in your own time. Switch off. Smell roses. Feed souls.

    Then there’s CBE and CBA. Two things life teaches you, eventually: that you Can’t Be Everywhere, and that sometimes you just Can’t Be Arsed. It’s not up to you to keep up with the latest and greatest. Its up to Them to convince you that there is really something in it for you that makes the expense and effort worthwhile. Until then, you’ll bide your time and pick and choose, thanks very much. Especially if it irritates young knowalls. We oldies get a secret grin out of that.

    Finally, at the time of life when your days are looking a little more finite, the last thing you want to do is spend your days looking at the world through a screen. While your legs and lungs are still working, get out there and be part of it. There’s be time enough to chain yourself to a screen when it’s your last remaining option.

    That saying, I think I’ll go and pick some apples. You stay on the computer. At the end of the day, you’ll have sore eyes and ringing in the ears, and I’ll have apple pie.

    Nana that.

    Since Jul 2007 • 178 posts Report Reply

  • andrew llewellyn,

    Cool is something you’ll eventually abandon as pointless effort.

    Au contraire, it's something we eventually grow into and assume, like a mantle. Well, that's my experience anyway. And what I tell the inhouse teenager regularly.

    Since Nov 2006 • 2073 posts Report Reply

  • Maureen Gallie,

    daleaway, I couldn't have said that better. Goooo Nana's of the world.And have a good dollop of cream with that apple pie!!

    Russell/Hamiltonxtra • Since Mar 2008 • 11 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    is becoming at risk of becoming mainstream media

    Not with comments like this from Daleaway it won't.

    First, there’s Indifference to Cool.
    Secondly, there’s Innovation Fatigue.
    Thirdly, there’s the Bog Off factor.

    Seriously good points that the MSM will never touch upon.

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • merc,

    Meanwhile, the NBR website was being revamped and would be developed into what Gibson described as a right-wing answer to the Public Address website which had assembled left-wing commentators under its banner.

    From, Drinnan, http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/466/story.cfm?c_id=466&objectid=10498048
    Sounds out of touch but kudos to PAS for seriously rattling some old school cages.

    Since Dec 2006 • 2471 posts Report Reply

  • 81stcolumn,

    I seem to recall my newsagent in Wales doing that a lot. Oh, and the guy at the pub. And the lady in the fish and chip shop (my great aunt), she was always nattering to "the customer" ...

    Heh, but unlike the newsagent I don't thingk the guys on Bebo have been talking to the postie, who in my village it appeared had managed to tell the newsagent that I'd had a loans refusal letter delivered that morning. THus I learned about what was in my mail by buying a newspaper. Beat that web 2.0 !

    Nawthshaw • Since Nov 2006 • 724 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    Daleaway - you are just... so... cool! That was beautifully said.

    Manawatu City • Since Nov 2006 • 1310 posts Report Reply

  • Judi Lapsley Miller,

    Just brilliant Daleaway! (Must go pick apples from garden now...must extract self from computer...AHHHHHGGGGG...the light is so blinding....!!!! :-)

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 100 posts Report Reply

  • big myke,

    Russell, surely nobody with a intel mac can use the old "it won't work on my mac" excuse anymore? bootcamp?

    west auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 3 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    "it won't work on my mac" excuse anymore? bootcamp?

    'wont work properly because it depends on Microsoft'

    Since Nov 2006 • 2745 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    Russell, surely nobody with a intel mac can use the old "it won't work on my mac" excuse anymore? bootcamp?

    You still need something to boot into. I understand why people have windows vista, because it comes with the machine as a default. Paying more to put it on a machine?

    Since Nov 2006 • 6172 posts Report Reply

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