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  • Lilith __, in reply to Sacha,

    there’s more fact-free twaddle being peddled than ever by the right white kind of folk.

    As a wise mental health advocate once said to me, we have enough evidence-based practice; we need more practice-based evidence. Oral histories, songs and art fit the bill perfectly.

    Couldn’t agree more Sacha.

    And, why do we have to choose (say) either science or poetry? I demand both!! They tell different truths, and both are important.

    But that doesn’t mean they are the same or are interchangeable.

    [if one more person tells me they’re scared of the new moon because it causes earthquakes…]

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3895 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Lilith __,

    [if one more person tells me they’re scared of the new moon because it causes earthquakes…]

    "I had made up a perigee stick like the ones the Maori elders used and was using it until I realised you could simply refer to a nautical almanac to find out when the next perigee was coming."
    Those Maori elders eh? If you're stuck without an almanac you can always pull a couple out of your butt.

    "A group of us were all set to travel to Nambassa, the rock music festival. I noticed from the almanac that the full Moon and the perigee were due to coincide just before the festival and so I said don't go, it will pour down. But they all went anyway without me. And as I thought would happen, a torrential downpour meant that most campers got thoroughly washed out on the last day of the event."

    See this is the problem with unreconstructed hippies. I mean, picture the kombi bumping up the track to the homestead, and there's bloody Ken with that shiteating grin hopping about like he's cacked himself. So did they pitch him into the longdrop or suchlike to teach him a simple life-lesson* like normal people would have done? No way, they anointed him as some kind of shamanistic new age scientist, thereby creating a noxious pest for future generations. Bloody hippies.

    *Despite Chchch being the defacto focus of some of Ring's most irritating claims, he never comes here. Whatever his faults he's smart enough to know that he's probably at greatest risk of some kind of public tarring and feathering in these parts.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand, in reply to Hebe,

    Drove around the maze of the red zone yesterday with a friend. Our destination was Alice in Videoland and it was great to see them in their building again; a landmark in a landscape of bare lots and demolition. . They are planning a cafe addition—and most importantly—a small theatrette for screening art house films. Really important, given that there really is only the Hollywood in Sumner left (unless you journey to Akaroa).

    Christchurch was the starting point and end point for a 1100km tour around the South Island last week, to add cinemas to my site at http://cinemasofnz.info,. Visited 17 different cinemas in six days.

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2562 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    Our destination was Alice in Videoland and it was great to see them in their building again; a landmark in a landscape of bare lots and demolition.

    Yes, so great that building has survived, almost the only one in that neighbourhood. It was built not long after the Hawkes Bay Earthquake, and has been described as “over-engineered”! Just as well.

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3895 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Lilith __,

    I walked around the front of Alice's by the old front door on Friday dusk.Seeing the old Cotter's building across the road surviving while all around is nothing was surreal, like a movie set. Another 'wish I had the bloody camera moment'. I'll capture it one good sunset this week (if Gudrun doesn't get there first!).

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Lilith __,

    Yes, so great that building has survived, almost the only one in that neighbourhood. It was built not long after the Hawkes Bay Earthquake, and has been described as “over-engineered”! Just as well.

    It was a similar deal with the Tower Insurance building in Wellington, where 1931 was still fresh on the engineers' minds.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5446 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    <q>Those Maori elders eh? If you’re stuck without an almanac you can always pull a couple out of your butt.

    Equally ignorant about ‘elders’ eh? (I assume he’s referring to kaumatua – i.e. an age status.) The wisdom of kaumatua was respected for life-experience in general – but you had to be actually an expert ( a tohuka) in a field – for, instance navigation (which was the major field for star lore)- before you’d be respected for that kind of learning.

    I’ve never heard of ’perigee sticks” and I did have the privilege of knowing a Wai Pounemu tohuka with expertise in star-lore.

    Creatures like Ring should be held up to far wider public ridicule & contempt.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Islander,

    The wisdom of kaumatua was respected for life-experience in general – but you had to be actually an expert ( a tohuka) in a field – for, instance navigation (which was the major field for star lore)- before you’d be respected for that kind of learning.

    Islander you're a never-failing source of the most fertile and inspiring stuff.

    It's Ring's sly hints at unearned mana that makes him more contemptible than if he were just another self-deluding charlatan. He's a throwback to a largely vanished NZ where a dash of 'Maori' was presumed to give weight to the most specious claims. At heart he's no different from the annoying drunk on the overnight express c. 1972 ranting against abortion: "The old Maori sheila, she don't believe in abortion." An ignorant, ignorant man.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    It's Ring's sly hints at unearned mana that makes him more contemptible

    String him up I say (greenie lefties can be rednecks too.) I have friends who left this city in terror because of another set of charlatans. The dodgy seers and the paw-reader are malevolently mischievious and prey on the fragile.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    “The old Maori sheila, she don’t believe in abortion.” An ignorant, ignorant man.

    O very much so – especially as my own mother -married at 19, had me at 20- was very discreetly advised by one of her female Purakaunui Maori relations about the known abortifacents vailable in ‘the bush’…only learned that a couple of years ago!
    I clearly was not a contender for that kind of knowledge but I am pretty certain the info was passed on to my 3 sisters. Who, just incidentally, are/
    were nurses & midwives. I have urged the remaining 2 to suggest that research into the plants would be a good idea, since -anecdotally- there was little risk of haemorrhaging
    and a certainty of early foetal death.

    But that’s not the kind of stuff midwives are interested in of course…
    whooops!

    How To Derail A Thread, Even on PAS. Lesson 921

    -sorry everyone!

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Hebe,

    The dodgy seers and the paw-reader are malevolently mischievious and prey on the fragile.

    Not wrong, Hebe.
    One of my family (junior circle) members fled to Auckland on the *strength* of that kind of prognistication - and is still paying off the travel & hotel costs for his family. And they cant afford that.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to Islander,

    I have urged the remaining 2 to suggest that research into the plants would be a good idea

    Absolutely.

    One thing I really like about Traditional Chinese Medicine is that for quite some time now - a few decades so far as I can tell - it's been in a process of scientificisation. I mean that for some time scientists have been researching the various herbs and other bits and pieces trying to figure out what makes it work - because TCM clearly works, just more slowly than "Western" medicine. And if one goes to a TCM hospital in China one sees an awful lot of "Western", scientific equipment. And if one talks to a student of TCM, one hears that they learn all the science as well.

    I reckon all traditional medicines should be given the same treatment.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    <q>I reckon all traditional medicines should be given the same treatment.

    Yay indeed!
    One of my neighbour’s in-laws had a really nasty foot fungal infection of long standing.
    I knew about 7-finger. I’ll never forget the evening,afterwards, he invited his wife to smell his feet! (She, for the first time in their relationship, couldnt!)
    I always keep manuka seed-capsules (for diarrhoea), and grow koromiko
    (no need to grow flax-root around here!)for the opposite problem – I dont need this stuff, but it is amazing how many people do-

    Simple (heh!) stuff.
    Fresh manuka herbage, steamed, helps congested breathing- and we all (now!)
    know about manuka honey-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand, in reply to Islander,

    Poroporo, possibly?

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2562 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Gudrun Gisela,

    Wring cycle...

    Everybody who is anybody was present.

    OMG a rare sighting of Nicky Wagner (well her back) out pressing the flesh in her electorate...
    No mention was made of her being there in the paper, she really is the invisible MP, mute as well it would seem, she makes no noise or media ripples...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    Herbaceous Border Patrol...

    I reckon all traditional medicines should be given the same treatment.

    ...before this sort of thing becomes more common...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7953 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    she really is the invisible MP,

    Not so! For, I remember one time in Parliament where she stood to support some bill hurting low income types.Catherine Delahunty was doing a speech in defense of the struggling, with a comment of "having to op shop to clothe oneself. Wagner stood and announced happily to Catherine Delahunty that she knew what it was like to wear op shop clothing, why, her daughter had bought a dress there for a party she had to attend and really ,being a themed party, she had no 70's clothing so she had to go to the op shop.
    I seriously dropped my jaw just as Catherine's eyes rolled in disbelief.
    It could have been a scene from "Absolutely Fabulous" if it wasn't actually serious.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    OMG a rare sighting of Nicky Wagner (well her back)

    Here's her front. The Shiploid factor appears to be kicking in of late.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4593 posts Report Reply

  • Gudrun Gisela, in reply to Hebe,

    Let's do it together Hebe.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2011 • 891 posts Report Reply

  • Hebe, in reply to Gudrun Gisela,

    We could indeed.

    Christchurch • Since May 2011 • 2899 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    …before this sort of thing becomes more common…

    I wish I could say I'm surprised. I can say I'm disgusted. Are we really so divorced from nature that we feel we can outlaw nature?

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Gudrun Gisela,

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2011 • 891 posts Report Reply

  • Gudrun Gisela,

    What next?

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2011 • 891 posts Report Reply

  • Islander, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    oroporo, possibly?

    More known for healing abilities (leaves) especially infected or ulcerous wounds.
    It has been proven to have some contraceptive potency...

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Gudrun Gisela,

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    Two bulls and one piano. On Madras Street today. An installation to be completed on Saturday. It has been seen in Paris before its reveal in Christchurch. Just worried that it might create quite a few bumper to bumper as people drive along Madras. Anyway a good thing to know there are other attractions out there.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2011 • 891 posts Report Reply

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