Envirologue by Dave Hansford

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Envirologue: 1080, "eco-terrorism" and agendas

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  • Angela Hart,

    Great post Dave, you've covered it thoroughly and I find I agree totally. The only question I have is why has 1080 been so widely banned overseas, when it suits our needs here so well? Is it down to the desire to sell more expensive, newer pesticides?

    Christchurch • Since Apr 2014 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • B Jones,

    Other countries have native mammals they don't want to kill, surely.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 976 posts Report Reply

  • Raymond A Francis,

    Angela, the fact that other than bats there are no other indigenous mammals makes it a good way of hitting introduced mammals
    It is used in Australia and in the US it may only be used in chemical collars on domestic herbivores, to kill coyotes.

    45' South • Since Nov 2006 • 576 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Good summary.

    The trouble is, self-entitled rednecks are one species of introduced mammal that's protected in NZ, at least by a lot of the cops who are meant to keep them under control. It's questionable how effectively they'll pursue any leads they come across.

    (See also the Atiamuri stop-go man murder, unsolved after two years. Not to mention Allan Titford).

    And the spooks aren't interested - helping on this won't get them any brownie points in Washington or Cheltenham, right?

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • David Haywood,

    Great piece, Dave! It's a depressing outcome of the Dirty Politics revelations that I instantly found myself wondering about the timing of the public announcement of these threats. A very convenient distraction from Hager's most recent investigations.

    Dunsandel • Since Nov 2006 • 1156 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __,

    Great story, thanks.

    Just one thing, what did you mean here?

    We all understand that toxins – like fracking, like alien activity, like contrails, like bar codes – can and do attract a certain type of personality –

    Don't we all agree that fracking causes horrible pollution?

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3887 posts Report Reply

  • Josh Petyt, in reply to David Haywood,

    My thoughts exactly when I heard about this on the radio.

    Japan • Since Apr 2014 • 44 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Lilith __,

    Well it does, but the important, unavoidable pollution is because it allows more oil and gas to be extracted, producing more CO2 and causing climate change. Localised pollution is largely avoidable or (like fracking-induced earthquakes) likely to be imaginary.

    However, people are a bit thick, so it’s easier to scare them with “toxic shit in the water supply that gives you spots and makes the crockery fall over” than with the steady and deleterious modification of the climate.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Also, I should make my usual and unheard plea for correct usage of words: a toxin is a poisonous substance produced within living cells or organisms.

    It is not a general synonym for "toxic substance", into which category 1080 (apart from that produced in plants as a defence mechanism) falls.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    (like fracking-induced earthquakes) likely to be imaginary.

    Humans cause (mostly very small) earthquakes all the time . I don’t think this is controversial. The linking of x quake with human activity is obviously subject to debate, but not the principle.

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3887 posts Report Reply

  • Grant McDougall,

    A good friend of mine is highish-up at one of the eight regional DOC officers and is a long-term DOC staffer. I can't name him for obvious reasons, but as he said in a text to me a few days' ago: "Environmentalists are the strongest advocates for 1080. It will be a rabid red-neck hunter that has done it"[made the threat, etc].

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2006 • 759 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    You'd think the attempt to link "terrorism" and "Greens" was so clumsy it would be met with derision. But no, not when there are journalists all too willing to play along.

    Here's TV 3 reporter Dave Goosselink, whose hashtag and Twitter profile proclaim him to be "greenfree". He's a Judith Collins fanboy who spouts from the Whale whenever he can.

    Ditto Mike Hosking on Seven Sharp. 1080 Blackmailers = Kauri protestors = Greens. Why does Russel Norman want to murder our babies?

    But these are not random ranters on the internet. They're the people who bring us the nightly news.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1321 posts Report Reply

  • william blake,

    Well at least in spinning these morons as Eco- terrorists the Government are unlikely to be seen to be 'backing down to terrorist threats', so the use of 10 80 for ecological purposes can continue for the time being. Assuming that there is a functioning Department of Conservation to manage the programme.

    Since Mar 2010 • 378 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    So the bad bugger used NZ post instead of email. Which must be really annoying for the GCSB.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4310 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Hunters and collectors...

    The fact that this person has threatened public health when presumably they oppose 1080 on the same grounds is confusing, and hints that it is not the considered action of anybody in good mental health.

    That's what gets me too, I can't see people who want to protect birds or any other life being willing to poison babies to make a point - that is the approach of batshit crazy anti-abortionsts who are so pro-life they kill doctors and nurses, them and fundamentalist christians...
    Hell, at moments of diminishing lucidity I think it wouldn't have been hard for some rabid National supporter to do this, to cement Key's place as a hardliner - I mean making a threat is easy, especially if you aren't going to carry it out, but just want to generate fear and panic or devise an environment in which reduced freedoms seem a good idea - create the problem, then present a solution, easy as...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    At the other, far-right, end of the lobby lurks a paramilitary element that has routinely resorted to “eco-terrorism” to try to force conservation and policy backdowns to protect “their resource”. In 2004, memos orbited the fraternity urging hunters to release stoats onto Stewart Island in reprisal for 1080 pest control operations.

    I got the impression that the 1080 blackmailers have a streak of Ted Kaczynski or some other half-baked New World Order dogma. The kind of dogma that's cut from the same cloth as those who think vaccines and water fluoridation are UN socialist world government mind control plots.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5416 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Hell, at moments of diminishing lucidity I think it wouldn’t have been hard for some rabid National supporter to do this, to cement Key’s place as a hardliner – I mean making a threat is easy, especially if you aren’t going to carry it out, but just want to generate fear and panic or devise an environment in which reduced freedoms seem a good idea – create the problem, then present a solution, easy as…

    I’m reminded of the fake “Islamic Australia Federation” pamphlets that were infamously printed and circulated around Sydney during the 2007 Aussie federal elections. It blew back horribly on the local Liberal Party chapter that concocted it, and it would probably have gone unnoticed had it not been for a dissident Liberal member blowing the whistle.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5416 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    not so keen on tap-water you can set fire to in some of the clips of fracked towns in the US.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19685 posts Report Reply

  • Dave Hansford, in reply to Lilith __,

    Hi Lilith: In that passage, I meant that there are certain issues that excite intense conviction, sharply polarised alignment and strident views. These issues are often debated heedless of, or to the conscious rejection of, any conflicting evidence, much as they would be in conservative religion. Psychologists, incidentally, recognise this phenomenon in a certain personality type and call it “collective reinforcement”. The internet has allowed people of like minds to form stronger communities, and has greatly enabled such reinforcement. The broad notion is that these people would seem to find fraternity and acceptance in a “safe” environment where their beliefs don’t just go unchallenged, but enjoy endorsement and repetition. One important distinction is that these groups tend to conduct their arguments from a platform of implicit belief and rote recital – not objective, independent scrutiny. This certainly characterises some elements of the anti-1080 community. I would point out that this peer group lies somewhere diametrically opposite a heathy, functioning scientific community, where researchers routinely face the scrutiny, criticism, even opprobrium of their colleagues as a normal, essential part of the culture of rigour.

    Nelson • Since Apr 2008 • 28 posts Report Reply

  • Dave Hansford, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Rich: thank you for the toxin/toxic substance correction. I honestly had no idea of the distinction, but it’s lodged in my subconscious spellcheck now.

    Nelson • Since Apr 2008 • 28 posts Report Reply

  • Moz, in reply to Grant McDougall,

    "Environmentalists are the strongest advocates for 1080. It will be a rabid red-neck hunter that has done it"[made the threat, etc].

    I thought both of those were obvious? It is to me, anyway. Following on from the NFA "bomb on the chopper" debacle, it might even be a paid member of the right wing PR team. The greenie protesters I know are more likely to eat the 1080 themselves (or threaten to) than try to poison other people with it.

    Interestingly most of the hunters I know are greenies first, and "**** you tree murdering b****, I'm going to get a gun and shoot goats until I run out of ammo" type hunters second. It's almost amusing when "kill every deer and pig in the country" meets "I love running round with a rifle" in the pub after a weekend in the bush. I also worked for a few years with a guy who went out on weekends shooting cats and the occasional fox in a fenced reserve area. He was part of a group of what I suspect were middle aged gun nuts, who definitely geeked out about the gear (they had listening devices, night vision gear, special padded jackets for warm weather, you name it.

    In Australia we have a problem with (big shiny) 4WD owners deciding they want a (big shiny) rifle, then driving off into the hills to shoot at things. They have NFI how to use either the 4WD or the rifle, and when using either scare the locals. Unfortunately we have the "Shooters and Fishers Party" right wing dingbats in NSW parliament who sell their votes for things like allowing hunting in National Parks. Australian National Parks are more like National-the-party-Parks than National-Parks-like-in-Aotearoa.

    Sydney, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 1195 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Moz,

    it might even be a paid member of the right wing PR team

    Hi Moz. If you mean of a Dirty Politics style thing, it’d have to be an incredibly stupid PR team to put New Zealand’s entire dairy export economy at risk as a side effect of scoring political points around a largely unrelated internal matter, wouldn’t it? (Or have I misunderstood?) Most likely to me is still just a looney who either didn’t think about the likely reception and repurcussions, or through some screwed up logic actually thinks that threatening/killing babies is a sensical way to make a point with the ends being worth the means. (“It hasn’t wrecked the Pure NZ Image” yet, or “It hasn’t started killing people from being all through the water supply yet”, “better speed up the process to prove we're right about this being what's going to happen!” Or some twisted logic that.)

    Australian National Parks are more like National-the-party-Parks than National-Parks-like-in-Aotearoa.

    It may vary from state to state, but during my 3 years in Vic, after coming from here, I was surprised at how differently parks seemed to be managed there, and how different the culture of using them seems to be.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    While I don’t agree with our Governments enviromental policies, I don’t see how calling the Priminister names, is going to help. Its just childish behavior. Unfortunately, half the population of New Zealand, possibaly more, are in agreement with all of the enviromental actions and inactions on that list.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4310 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to steven crawford,

    I don’t see how calling the Priminister names, is going to help. Its just childish behavior.

    He started it!
    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Moz,

    I thought both of those were obvious?

    Not enough, hence the Nats using that public ignorance to smear environmentalists instead of their own voters.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19685 posts Report Reply

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