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Hard News: Dropping the Bomber

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  • peterpeasant, in reply to Sacha,

    I bow to your superior intellect and condescension, Ma"am.

    new zealand • Since Oct 2010 • 39 posts Report Reply

  • peterpeasant, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    That sounds suspiciously like masturbation.

    Oh well, I guess you get to meet a better class of person (people) that way. Grin.

    new zealand • Since Oct 2010 • 39 posts Report Reply

  • Caleb D'Anvers, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    So I'm going for his appearance ... there must be some fundamental feature about his face that speaks to the primate brain and says "trust this man"

    Really? He looks like a plucked takahe.

    London SE16 • Since Mar 2008 • 482 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Lilith __,

    If he'd be more moderate and less hectoring he could be a force to be reckoned with.If he'd worded his speech on The Panel a little differently and delivered it with more charm, this whole furore need never have happened.

    Geez , maybe he could be a little more like John Key? Yes, If he did that he might even get his own hour on RadioLive.;)

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Basically, the BSA emphatically endorsed TV3’s right to conduct a robust pubic interview without tipping off the subject

    A robust Wha?

    ETA, I see PP has mentioned.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • JLM, in reply to Lara,

    If RNZ is to be balanced, it has to include a range of voices. Bomber’s opinions may not be to the liking of everyone all the time, but neither are those of Stephen Franks (for example). I hope that RNZ reconsider, but in the current environment I do not think that is likely.

    Interesting then to note the total lack of "green" voices among panellists, as opposed to fleeting guests. I will be happy to be contradicted.

    Judy Martin's southern sl… • Since Apr 2007 • 239 posts Report Reply

  • hamishm,

    The ban is bollocks and even Brian Edwards can see it

    Since Nov 2006 • 357 posts Report Reply

  • hamishm, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    <snark>Yes Sofie, he shouldn't be so mean to that nice Mr. Key. </snark>

    Since Nov 2006 • 357 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to peterpeasant,

    I suspect Crosby/Textor have swotting up on Mein Kampf and the techniques Goebbels used. Griffin and Cavanagh are just “following orders”., relying on a defence used at the Nuremberg trials.

    You are closer than you think.
    Public Relations, eg. Crosby Textor is the game invented by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays \Edward Bernays

    In his 1965 autobiography, Bernays recalls a dinner at his home in 1933 where
    Karl von Wiegand, foreign correspondent of the Hearst newspapers, an old hand at interpreting Europe and just returned from Germany, was telling us about Goebbels and his propaganda plans to consolidate Nazi power. Goebbels had shown Wiegand his propaganda library, the best Weigand had ever seen. Goebbels, said Wiegand, was using my book Crystallizing Public Opinion as a basis for his destructive campaign against the Jews of Germany. This shocked me. ...

    So, the similarity to the German propagandist is hardly surprising.

    Ah, the novelty of an inept Godwinning..

    Far from inept, quite astute. Stop being so damned smug Sacha.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    I bow to your superior intellect

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Godwin.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22744 posts Report Reply

  • Geoff Lealand,

    You win ;-)

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2537 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __,

    God always wins, in the end. Not sure which one, though ;-)

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3887 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to JLM,

    Interesting then to note the total lack of “green” voices among panellists, as opposed to fleeting guests. I will be happy to be contradicted.

    Sue Bradford is a regular panellist.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    Sue has alwayas had the deepest red hue.
    Greens were always just a means by which to be gleen the political scene.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    Sue Bradford is a regular panellist.

    Bradford is a regular on Nine to Noon. JLM is right that on The Panel (weekdays, 4-5 pm) there are no Green voices among panellist (though occasionally, you'll get a phoner from 4:57-5:00).

    Frankly, if RNZ is concerned about balance, they really need to take a look at the selection of panellists on that show.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Erin Edwards, in reply to Angus Robertson,

    The problem is that assault and racism are minor flaws that NZ society can empathize with. Questioning a politician elected by us to serve us? Not when he's got such a likable persona.

    Auckland • Since Oct 2011 • 2 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    Isnt balancing something we use scales for……Not radio's

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1881 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock, in reply to Just thinking,

    Sue has always had the deepest red hue.
    Greens were always just a means by which to be gleen the political scene.

    Not a true Scotsman, then?

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • James W,

    Balls – Clark was pretty damn good at being “unavailable for comment” when there was no possible advantage for her getting pummeled for five minutes on Morning Report. That’s what you have a Cabinet and a small army of spin things for. Really, please say that it’s appalling and there’s better than even odds I’d agree with you. But don’t shit on a cracker and expect me to swallow the nonsense that it never happened before November 8 2008.

    Craig, you’re so hard to have a conversation with because you argue against things people never said. When I agreed with Russell that this government is refusing to front on serious issues, it does not automatically follow that I think any previous government was an open book. I’m not talking about parties, I’m talking about the current situation which is the media not doing their job (or being able to do their job through lack of access) and a general decline in democratic involvement. This could very well be just as bad under a new Labour government, I don’t know.

    "They won last election with a policy of no policy;"

    And that’s crap too – you’re entitled to your opinion that National’s platform was awful in all kinds of ways, but it’s just twanky twaddle to say they had “no policy”. (Though I guess on the bullshit buffet, it’s a fine whine that matches well with the not-at-all secret “secret agenda

    I’m not sure what this “secret agenda” thing is, but I do believe that National, which is full of the same MPs that lost to Labour three times in a row, consciously avoided airing their usual policies in order to appear more centrist and win over swing voters who remembered how awful people like McCully, Brownlee, Smith, English, etc were the first time around. And I think as their term in office has progressed, more and more of their old right-wing policies have come out, like state asset sales, like private partnerships, like having a go at dismantling ACC. And I think next term we’ll see a lot more of them, now that they’re “safe”.

    So I don’t think National’s platform pre-election was awful, because I think they kept a lot of it to themselves, and didn’t really have a platform. I thought they had a “secret agenda” in the same way I thought Iraq had weapons of mass destruction before the war (i.e. it was bloody obvious what was going on).

    Since Jul 2008 • 136 posts Report Reply

  • Yamis,

    I'm sure you're right James but it'll be a hard thing for Key to pull off because he doesn't like to piss people off. He's a 'sense the mood' leader, not a 'from the front' leader.

    Since Nov 2006 • 903 posts Report Reply

  • hamishm,

    Jebus, you people are hard to please!
    He's going to look at asking someone to investigate asking someone else to not move Coronation Street!

    Since Nov 2006 • 357 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to James W,

    National, which is full of the same MPs that lost to Labour three times in a row, consciously avoided airing their usual policies in order to appear more centrist and win over swing voters who remembered how awful people like McCully, Brownlee, Smith, English, etc were the first time around.

    The Hollow Men provides documented evidence of the same folk doing exactly that in the 2005 election campaign.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19680 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Sacha,

    The Hollow Men provides documented evidence of the same folk doing exactly that in the 2005 election campaign.

    Exactly, last time (2008) it was Clark they were targeting, this time it's Goff. I found it not that hard to pin down last time but this time it's more subtle. We are forever hearing, from "our side" too, that Goff is just hopeless but can you put your finger on how and why you think that, it 'ain't that easy.

    Anyhoo, with any luck this latest debacle, "OilSpill Gate" shall we call it? could finish Key this time. Lying again on TV3, on Campbell Live, ironic, much?
    After claiming that no country could possibly have resources on hand for such an event, Bollocks John and you know that...
    This from Maritime New Zealand

    Responding to spills and pollution

    Maritime New Zealand maintains a response capability of sufficient size to counter an oil spill of 3,500 tonnes, which is deemed to be a 'one in a hundred year' event. If the scale of an incident is beyond the nation's domestic capability, arrangements are in place to secure overseas assistance. This relationship is reciprocal - New Zealand will be expected to assist our neighbours if requested.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Just thinking, in reply to Rich Lock,

    Quite the pragamatist methinks.

    Putaringamotu • Since Apr 2009 • 1158 posts Report Reply

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