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Hard News: Narcissists and bullies

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  • nzlemming, in reply to SteveH,

    Fuck.

    Succinctly put.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2896 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to SteveH,

    That is true, but in isolation, the outcome of a 16 year old getting jail for having consenting sex with a 15 year old is probably not the one they want at all. Now we know that there was rape of a 13 year old who did want to press charges and got talked out of it, the above arguments are all pretty much finished. This is a scandal.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10559 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Where did this come from, Ben? Not seeing it on stuff or the harold.

    Sorry, should have linked

    TRIGGER WARNING.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10559 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Here's the Fairfax version.

    The police have been lying since this broke. It's appropriate now to start talking about police corruption.

    There must surely be a Commission of Inquiry.

    Triggers, obvs.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22537 posts Report Reply

  • SteveH, in reply to Russell Brown,

    The police have been lying since this broke. It’s appropriate now to start talking about police corruption.

    Is this the extra stuff you mentioned you couldn't talk about earlier or should we be bracing ourselves for more?

    Since Sep 2009 • 444 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Richard Aston,

    if that was my son, I would feel I had failed him

    yes

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19518 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Lindberg, in reply to Danielle,

    I allege the shit out of it. Here I am, alleging. <waves>

    Looks like your waving paid off...

    Stockholm • Since Jul 2009 • 802 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Brown, in reply to nzlemming,

    Auckland • Since Mar 2013 • 136 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover, in reply to BenWilson,

    What the fucking fuck!?

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle, in reply to Martin Lindberg,

    Believe me, I'd much prefer to have darkly alleged and been wrong. Those fucking lying SHITS.

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Lindberg, in reply to Danielle,

    Those fucking lying SHITS.

    Word...

    Stockholm • Since Jul 2009 • 802 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite,

    Oh God, can this get any worse?

    I thought that the pigs had plumbed the depths in the Louise Nicholas case, but this is even filthier.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • Martin Brown,

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/207530/Hales-looked-at-second-police-file

    A couple of police named Hales involved in the Mt Maunganui affair all those years ago. Brothers as it happens. Undoubtedly just a coincidence.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2013 • 136 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite,

    So that's it. Our police are not merely incompetent, they're corrupt. I expect the inevitable whitewash.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • slarty, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    You know, Slarty, I really hope you’re being a wee bit snarky there because it would be nice if “those poor buggers” elected a union president who’d speak out as least as vigorously as he assassinates the character of anyone who dares suggest an armed police force might just create more problems than it solves.

    After all, there's only 9,000 of them to fight the machine. It must be tough, doing the right thing in the face of all the procedural barriers...

    Yes. Thank you Craig.

    Since Nov 2006 • 290 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    I'm unspeakably furious. I was quite prepared to give the police the benefit of the doubt and think maybe they were just taking their time to get the case together. But once again, despite their years and years of promising and swearing that they treat the sexual assaulted better now, properly now, that complainants are safe... This shit.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 580 posts Report Reply

  • Lisa_J, in reply to Martin Brown,

    I’ve just read the article you linked, Martin. This case was always deeply distressing, but things have taken a very chilling turn. The disturbing record of the NZ police with regard to handling complaints of sexual offending, and indeed the allegations about the behaviour of some of their own, sink to the back of my mind over time, and I assume that they have pulled themselves into the 21st century and that their attitudes have changed. I have been prepared to show them good faith and let them turn over a new leaf.

    But the police themselves always seem to find a way to remind me of their murky past and shock me all over again. A 13 year old sexual assault complainant given the brush off and insulted into the bargain. And is there a link between the various Hales? Adding it all up, it feels like a horror movie. Seriously. My skin crawls.

    Auckland • Since Oct 2013 • 8 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Parks, in reply to Richard Aston,

    "Mr Tamihere also levelled some criticism at the media reporting of the interview, saying “there’s a bunch of people in the media that hate our guts”:

    Yeah right , first its the girls fault now its the media’s fault .

    Tamihere will consolidate: It'll be the stupid little girls in the media’s fault.

    Wellington • Since May 2007 • 1164 posts Report Reply

  • Lisa_J, in reply to Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    I was quite prepared to give the police the benefit of the doubt and think maybe they were just taking their time to get the case together.

    I thought that way, too. I don't think that way now. At all. You were right, Russell.

    Auckland • Since Oct 2013 • 8 posts Report Reply

  • Miche Campbell,

    This is all making me sick to my stomach, and I can't help but get the feeling much worse is going to be uncovered during the investigation.

    Dunedin • Since Feb 2011 • 79 posts Report Reply

  • Hannah,

    This is not the world that I want to be living in – why is change so slow …

    Cheers,
    Brent

    Auckland • Since Feb 2009 • 15 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite,

    Let's not forget that when Dame Margaret Bazley was conducting her inquiry, the Police Association, led by Greg O'Connor, hired a private investigator to find dirt in the hope that they could blackmail her or discredit her work. The police in NZ have a very sick culture, and it's going to take more than just an inquiry to fix it.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Kracklite,

    I have personal experience that they stonewalled that inquiry as much as they could and I'm reliably informed that nothing has changed since that time, regardless of the promises made.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2896 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Russell Brown,

    There must surely be a Commission of Inquiry.

    Or better still, bring Tony Fitzgerald QC out of retirement. Especially if the Roastbusters affair blows out into Arthur Allan Thomas proportions and becomes Roastbustergate.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5385 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite, in reply to nzlemming,

    I'm not at all surprised, so Danielle's "allegation" looks all the more plausible. I also know people who have been victims of police corruption and rape and I too have to be deliberately vague in order to protect them from further persecution.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

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