Hard News by Russell Brown

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  • andin,

    pastor and “worship curator”
    As long as he pays tax he can anoint himself with whatever fancy title he wants to

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1888 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to andin,

    pastor and “worship curator”
    As long as he pays tax he can anoint himself with whatever fancy title he wants to

    He's an interesting guy. Big on the qualities of tea.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22763 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    Im sure he's a lovely chap, and maybe there is a meditative quality to tea making I dont have any experience in that.
    Theres two broad categories when it comes to making societies "better" not the world please, individual and communal.
    We're pretty much fucked at present communally (in the global sense, and the problems we now face are global) because most of the people in the upper echelons of our societies are "spiritually dead' I put it in scare quotes because it needs much explanation, more than I can be bothered with here.
    And that includes, I would say, all practitioners in the dark arts of the god/worship business.
    And as individuals we are still scared because we still havent found a way to live with " the existential angst of a conscious being aware of its own death" a subject we engage in many activities and spend much money to avoid.
    Or have just forgotten how to live with it and not be arseholes.
    Yeah so the qualities of tea doesnt quite cut it for me. Sorry.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1888 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to andin,

    Couple of issues there.

    And as individuals we are still scared because we still haven’t found a way to live with ” the existential angst of a conscious being aware of its own death”

    That could be called an understatement.

    I was reading an article in the daily galaxy before, which talks about god like creature who have developed spacetime engineering technology a billion years from here! And its highly probable they are fucking with our observable reality.

    Yeah so the qualities of tea doesn’t quite cut it for me. Sorry.

    I know a little bit about tea, since I have an arts degree. Japanese tea drinking for as an example, is a complex and thoughtfull process. The part I find particularly fulfilling is the making of the pottery. The tea cups are fired in wood kilns. The glaze that goes on that utilitarian art, all comes from the wood ash. So the trees draw the elements and minerals up from the earth. The ceramists don’t mix industrial glaze products, they do that fundamentally human, contemplation while feeding a fire. The tea drinkers know and appreciate this. During the tea drinking, the cup is observed for its wabi-sabi.

    IE, the tea drinking ceremony, isn’t just something that dickheads do.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4356 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    god like creature who have developed spacetime engineering technology

    Whatever!
    We are incapable of taking responsibility for our own actions and will find any reason however fanciful to carry on what we are doing, is the human trait I find least endearing.

    I was hoping tea was some kind of euphemism, before I write the guy off as another dick selling snake oil.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1888 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to andin,

    Whatever!!,

    You seem to be taking everything pretty seriously, People will eventually stop visiting for a cup of tea.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4356 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to andin,

    I was hoping tea was some kind of euphemism, before I write the guy off as another dick selling snake oil.

    Jeez, chill out. I asked him because I'm interested in the way churches foster community. Mark was recommended by my mate the Rev Frank Ritchie, with whom I disagree on the existence of a deity, but whose sense and humanity I rate highly.

    And yes, it's actual tea. I love the idea of convening around a shared activity.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22763 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    If God is dead, your time is everything is the best thing I've read for ages on religion, atheism, community, Marx, and value :)

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2098 posts Report Reply

  • andin,

    churches foster community.

    Thats one way of putting it and I am quite chill, thanks for your concern, always have been. My greatest happiness is helping others deal with all their life problems

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1888 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    May I recommend this fine novel about tea and society:
    Memory of Water by Emmi Itäranta
    https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18505844-memory-of-water

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7902 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    The act of making tea is quite different in English and Japanese cultures. The meditative zen mastery of the act is usually done in complete silence with the aim of stilling the mind through total concentration on the physical acts performed with the hope the stillness achieved has flow on effects thru ones life.
    Very different from having a bit of a natter, chewing the fat if you will over a cuppa, sorry shared activity
    Book looks good tho
    Bill Mollison a co-founder of Permaculture warned of water becoming a source of conflict 50 years ago, Climate change hadnt hit high gear back then, nor had neo liberalism, which brought on water being sold in plastic bottles. A double disaster.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1888 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

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    I found this water, and I actually did need to drink it at the time. Thats why I took the photo. I thought it was a profound snapshot, but not so much now that I'm back home.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4356 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    David Slack, has found out what it feels like to stop drinking : Why giving up booze is the most punk rock thing you can do

    No, it’s just called recovering from a serious illness.

    Steve likes the zero alcohol beers for the work drinks. Seeing him without a bottle could make people almost a bit wary, he found, maybe gave them the feeling they were being judged. A zero in his hand has been enough to reassure them he’s joining in.

    Now try quitting sugar. It’s just as socially an abhorrent thing to do.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4356 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Sad - but inevitable - to hear that the Auckland**Pasifika Festival** has been cancelled for a second year.

    I hear a lot about social distancing - but surely we'd have to keep that up until a vaccine is available... a year or more they say (much less if you are Trump).

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7902 posts Report Reply

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