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Hard News: The Hager saga continues

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  • Kumara Republic,

    others have to taken to the internet to declare him guilty of "receiving stolen property"

    But where the criticism of the book isn't simply in bad faith, it's often hapless, as Roughan's column is. Nicky Hager isn't perfect. But it seems fair to say he really does deserve better critics.

    Said critics are effectively saying, "it's not illegal when President Nixon is doing it."

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5441 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    I really do look forward to complacent braying dunces like Roughan retiring.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19740 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __,

    Hager is a hero to me. I hope he knows how many of us admire and respect him. All the more so when measured against these dolts.

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3891 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Lilith __,

    All the more so when measured against...

    ...John Key - a dolt from the Blue Lagoon

    or perhaps warnings on Hide's & Roughan's columns
    Warning: Contains a dolt's concepts!

    :- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Lilith __, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    a dolt from the Blue Lagoon

    ...trying to shut the stable door, but the House has dolted.

    Dunedin • Since Jul 2010 • 3891 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Warning: Contains a dolt's concepts!

    They could at least say of Hide and Jones "This writer was once the head of a major political party, and has never received any journalistic training whatsoever".

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Jack Harrison,

    Both Roughan and Hide make assertions about the book which makes it obvious they haven't read it. That's disgraceful

    Also where is Hides contempt for the men who wanted to ruin his marriage . I would be furious about that, anyone would be.

    wellington • Since Aug 2014 • 296 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Jack Harrison,

    Also where is Hides contempt for the men who wanted to ruin his marriage . I would be furious about that, anyone would be.

    He thinks it's Hager who has done him bad. I got 9 likes in the comments there today :) Every attempt he does to smear Hager, I throw in an inquiry as to why he did stand down. The likes of him seem to all know why Labour should have one or another Leader so I figure his expertise in the field of lost Leaders should be of benefit , just sayin' :)
    The man's got a bee in his bonnet and seems to bitch about Hager any chance he gets to drivel. He's a twat.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Jack Harrison, in reply to Sofie Bribiesca,

    Actually the legal ramifications of it (the smear) being true are huge. The blackmail of a member of parliament, that’s serious jail time.

    But fuck it, Slater and co were at least talking about it. Yet Rodney Hide is dismissing it as if it wasn’t written. FFS.

    wellington • Since Aug 2014 • 296 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Jack Harrison,

    Also where is Hides contempt for the men who wanted to ruin his marriage . I would be furious about that, anyone would be.

    That is quite odd, isn't it? Surely the natural response would be to be angry at the people talking about blackmailing you and wrecking your marriage.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22848 posts Report Reply

  • Jack Harrison, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Blackmail, a funny word, but a real crime, been on the books for ages. A No-No of law known to all citizens.

    wellington • Since Aug 2014 • 296 posts Report Reply

  • Bart Janssen,

    At what point do Roughan's falsehoods become a problem for The Herald.

    Isn't there some kind of code of ethics?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 4460 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    Isn’t there some kind of code of ethics?

    They follow the Golden Rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10657 posts Report Reply

  • Jack Harrison, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    The Herald is dying slowly , in ten years it may be gone on the strange economics of reporting versus ad buying. Still we don't need to see this kind of writing, he's Garth George without a faith.

    wellington • Since Aug 2014 • 296 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Curtis,

    Just looking back to Hagers previous book Hollow Man and the reputed theft of Don Brashs emails.
    Some that stands out nowis an OIA release showed the Police knew "something" about Brash missing emails long before Brash himself.

    Police today said in their reply to the OIA request that they were first notified of the alleged theft on August 30, 2005 and began their official investigation on September 28, 2006.

    Dr Brash said in September 2006 that he had made a formal complaint, which was likely to have sparked the move to take up the matter.

    01/10/2008

    The police refused to release any part of their files on the investigation saying it was likely to prejudice the maintenance of law and breach an obligation of confidence.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/654206/Police-knew-about-leaked-of-Brashs-emails

    So they knew something about missing emails well before the book came out, and only after the Ombusman intervened did they even give the bare information about the earlier date.
    The wording about maintenance of law and order in this situation probably means they were spying on Nicky Hager and knew of the emails when he was writing his book.

    Another person linked to Brash, Diane Foreman had two suspicious break ins at her Parnell apartment.

    Foreman says she did not tell the police of the break-ins for more than a year because she initially thought the police themselves might have been responsible.

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/1101/Diane-Foreman-breaks-silence-on-burglaries

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 314 posts Report Reply

  • Jack Harrison, in reply to Steve Curtis,

    Great story but different story, still chilling.

    Brash and co were trying to take over the National Party , that ambition was recognised after the 2002 slaughter. They bought buckets of money and they nearly took out Helen Clark after two terms. They did well. They lost.

    Don Brash is now ostracised. Winning is everything.

    wellington • Since Aug 2014 • 296 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Russell Brown,

    That is quite odd, isn’t it? Surely the natural response would be to be angry at the people talking about blackmailing you and wrecking your marriage.

    Unless of course Hide knows that Slater has the goods on him, which can in its way totally be read to tally with Hide’s reaction from the outset. The cost of admission is high.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Lilith __,

    but the House has dolted

    aaah!
    So that's the 'Stable Future' people voted for...

    ...but, doesn't that mean we then
    have a 'stablehand' in control?

    :- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7950 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Russell Brown,

    That is quite odd, isn’t it? Surely the natural response would be to be angry at the people talking about blackmailing you and wrecking your marriage.

    How do you know he isn’t, Russell? The media savvy response to allegations of that nature would be not to give the story any legs by talking about it in public, don’t you think?

    If anything, Hide's response was the only smart and effective one in this whole saga. "The allegations against me are utterly false, and I have no further comment to make." He pretty much killed that aspect of the story by not playing the game.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I probably wouldn’t want to give it any more oxygen

    Yeah, what justifiable reason would anyone have to want to expose blackmail attempts made with empty “menaces”?

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Jack Harrison, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    If anyone accused me of an infidelity that I didn’t commit they would get a visit,and I know you would feel the same way too.

    wellington • Since Aug 2014 • 296 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to mark taslov,

    Yeah, who would want to expose blackmail attempts made with empty “menaces”.

    Because of exactly what you’re doing here, Mark. I don’t think anyone here is in any doubt of your contempt for Hide, but there’s no reason why he should have kept a media circus going around incredibly serious and gross allegations because you think he should.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Jack Harrison, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Unfortunately, it's so messed up that may have to happen. Well done everyone involved.

    wellington • Since Aug 2014 • 296 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Because of exactly what you’re doing here, Mark. I don’t think anyone here is in any doubt of your contempt for Hide

    Six days ago I was commending Hide, so I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there were some doubt as to my feelings about Rodney Hide right now. Which is by the by.

    My respect for Rodney is such that I’m not stating what I think he should do, and my respect for his wife is such that I do question why Rodney would not be more forthcoming in addressing allegations of a conspiracy to damage their relationship.

    Can we just agree to disagree about this Craig?

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Jack Harrison, in reply to mark taslov,

    This is so fucked up that we are even wasting time on it on R.B’s threads, but that’s where this sewer has gone. Get real.This is so fucked up no one wants to touch it for fear of dirt.

    Jesus wept.

    wellington • Since Aug 2014 • 296 posts Report Reply

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