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Hard News: The Sky is the limit

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  • Euan Mason,

    Projections of future financial viability of the convention centre might be as good as those foisted on Dunedin ratepayers for the covered stadium. <cough, splutter>

    "Muppets" is an apt description, except that I suspect the Minister realised taxpayers might have to be tapped eventually. This is not simply incompetence.

    Canterbury • Since Jul 2008 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • bob daktari, in reply to Euan Mason,

    Projections of future financial viability

    exactly - we've seen this time and time again with the usual bullish projections and eventual cost overruns and poor performance passed onto the tax/rate payer - be it IT projects, rationalisation and re-organisation of an entity(ies) etc etc. Hardly rocket science to see through the bullshit... and yet it continues to happen

    auckland • Since Dec 2006 • 539 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Euan Mason,

    as good as those foisted on Dunedin ratepayers for the covered stadium

    such a good deal, let's have another one in Chch!

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19697 posts Report Reply

  • Andre,

    Let's build it at just above the High Tide mark, like the new motorway tunnels at Waterview. Make the grandkids pay, that's the Keynglishjoyce way. I wonder if they intend to borrow another $50 billion, and what they'll spend it on.

    New Zealand • Since May 2009 • 364 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    But such convention centres are expensive to build and operating costs are such that it can be difficult to make a purely commercial return on the investment. So it’s reasonable to consider a public investment in this kind of infrastructure.

    You know what, this thing sounds like a universtity. But all I’m hearing about the sky city convention centor is how much cash money it’s going trickle down. I wonder an idea to tell the gambling company to fuck off now, and put the public money into building something a little less bling bling on the university campus. This might attract a better quality trickle down. But Thats not going to drive the housing market, so scratch that muppet of an idea.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4341 posts Report Reply

  • Mike O'Connell, in reply to Sacha,

    I think if the 'Gerry Brownlie Memorial Stadium' were to be given the green light, there'd be riots!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 379 posts Report Reply

  • TracyMac, in reply to CRobinson,

    I am not saying that government ministers and officials set out to craft a bad deal

    I think that's a very generous interpretation, but I agree that it's just as likely to be a case for Hanlon's Razor.

    I don't know which is worse: outright corruption, or outright stupidity (despite the propaganda of their being "good at business).

    Also, it's funny how we don't get cries of "pork-barrelling" when it's private companies involved. From my POV, there's no discernable difference - it's just what you consider your "constituents" to be.

    Canberra, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 701 posts Report Reply

  • Roger Lacey,

    I wonder how many more pokies they will be given to make up the current estimated deficit and how many more once it's built and the true cost is known?

    Whatakataka Bay Surf Club… • Since Apr 2008 • 148 posts Report Reply

  • Phil Stewart, in reply to Russell Brown,

    TV3 was completely MIA on this story tonight, so maybe it really does make sense to dump all this 2 days before Christmas.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 6 posts Report Reply

  • Euan Mason,

    Dear Stevie Joyce,

    Thanks ever so for this wonderful Xmas pressie. As Johnnie often says, "At the end of the day taxpayers are more worried about snapper than forking out millions for our friends in the gambling addiction industry". After all, those Salvation Army folk need extra work to do, don't they? What a Great Leap Forward for the 1% who support National financially, eh? This legacy will secure your special place in history books right up there next to think big projects, paying Rio Tinto to pollute, and such like. Congratulations, Stevie!

    Canterbury • Since Jul 2008 • 259 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    And so we get to ….

    Rates cash eyed for SkyCity.

    Yes, after stiffing Auckland Council on the CRL out of little more than political spite, the government has the damn nerve to suggest – without even a heads-up to the mayor – that Auckland ratepayers might like to cover its arse.

    The Herald understands SkyCity would also like the council to offer millions of dollars in concessions on costly red tape necessary to build the centre. Mr Brown didn’t know anything about Mr Joyce’s idea or potential concessions for SkyCity and appeared reluctant to get involved.

    “Auckland Council has not been approached,” he said through a spokesman. The deal was “between SkyCity and the Government”.

    And then this:

    But Orakei councillor Cameron Brewer said while it would be “a stretch” for ratepayers, a subsidy for the centre should be considered.

    So after bitching about and needlessly politicising any number of considered spending decisions, Brewer is happy to kick in a council subsidy on this?

    He really wants a safe National seat, doesn’t he?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22761 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    And meanwhile, the Wellington convention centre project Steven Joyce touted yesterday as an example to Auckland just fell over.

    What a shambles.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22761 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Shill be right...
    Key and Joyce get 'railroaded' into these things with promises of 'deals too good to miss' - they are classic 'rubes', or maybe we are....

    ....is this the 'Three Convention Centre monte'?
    The scams keep on coming.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7896 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Speaking of arrogant uncaring multinational corporations...

    ...does anyone have an email address for anyone in influence further up the food chain at the hopelessly organised Vodafone - everytime I see that ad that says 'The reliable network' I want to kick in the television - if you have an address, either post it here or email me via the little envelope above this post.

    These people want to lose another 200 jobs and they already can't do the basics right!
    It's as if I was the only person to have to shift temporarily out of a house while EQC repairs were grudgingly made in Chchch.

    Vodafone just couldn't get their head around it, they promised a technician would come (and would phone first) on Nov 19th over a week after we had actually shifted out - I stayed home and waited, no one came or rang, no one followed up to see why they still had an 'undone' job on their books - the upshot being that no one could phone us for 5 weeks - now I'm trying to get everything back to how it was, do you think they can help there - seemingly not - a phone call last friday (after the obligatory half hour listening to Bic Runga et al* on their hold system - i have drained phones waiting on that time-sucking system for a total of cumulatively 5 hours now) resulted in a promise to phone me yesterday to tell me what would happen and when, no such call eventuated - I hold these people in less esteem than I do the muppet I had to deal with at EQC - yet Vodafone wants our money. You'd think keeping the customers you have would be a better plan than burning them out and picking up new ones from somewhere else in the small pool that is NZ...
    They have a loooong way to go at customer support - pricks!!!

    </tether & rant>

    * can someone check that they are paying the proper licence fees to have these songs on high rotate on their phone muzak system - the downside is I now associate all these songs with failure, anger and an uncaring organisation - more 'positive' marketing then...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7896 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Vodafone wants our money.

    They're becoming notorious for this kind of thing, unfortunately.

    In happier news -- I got your package, Ian! Delighted by the contents and the bomb-proof swaddling with gaffa tape. Once a roadie, always ...

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22761 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Russell Brown,

    They’re becoming notorious for this kind of thing, unfortunately.

    Their cable network in Wellington is still pretty robust. But when I changed plans, they pinged me the equivalent of a disconnection fee for the 'convenience'. And their helpdesk is still under-staffed - not that I've had to even ring them much in the first place.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5424 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Phil Stewart,

    TV3 was completely MIA on this story tonight, so maybe it really does make sense to dump all this 2 days before Christmas.

    Or not. Still, it wasn't even headline news.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5424 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    I'm shocked!

    I look to you, Ian, as the poet...the wordsmith...he who encapsulates with brevity and wit.

    You need cheering up.

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1344 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Pour qui?
    pour Key et ses amis
    open season. open sesame!
    hoping for a handout, cash for free:
    that’s gambling in / on / with the SkyCity.

    pork for pokies:
    pokerfaced porkies;
    poor communication;
    poor consultation;
    poor conduct.
    porous contracts …
    poor us.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1898 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Rosemary McDonald,

    oh the tort cha, cha cha cha...

    You need cheering up.

    Rectal reconnection, that has a familiar ring to it!

    ...it's not just the phone it's the telly and broadband as well
    (they did try there - first with a vstick or vodem or somesuch
    then a modem arrived out of the blue - with instructions to wait for the all clear to install - I waited and nada, zilch, so I installed it anyway which for some reason worked thru the landline - not thanks to any instruction or real help from Vodafone)

    all compounded by my main work computer not surviving shifting, lost all my emails and addresses and some data - also had forgotten my password to woosh webmail aaargh - it all just firms my belief that electricity is an evolutionary dead end, we've been herded into a dry dead end gulch, can the rock rain from the surrounding cliffs be far away...

    and now I've just had a container picked up (still padlocked) while I wasn't home - even though they (Royal wolf) promised they'd phone me before coming so I could be there to unlock it - why can't these companies just do what they say they are going to do...

    - merry bloody christmas indeed

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7896 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    merry bloody christmas indeed

    Ah well then, sticking with Rosemary's theme, here's a Bloody christmas song:

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1898 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Russell Brown,

    And meanwhile, the Wellington convention centre project Steven Joyce touted yesterday as an example to Auckland just fell over.

    I still don't understand why these glamor convention centers are so important.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4341 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    ...it's not just the phone it's the telly and broadband as well

    I had a similar experience with Vodafone the last time we moved house. We arranged to have the telco services transferred weeks in advance and were assured that everything would go smoothly. We arrived at our new home to find no phone, no internet and no SkyTV. This was worsened by no cellular coverage in our area.

    We lived as luddites for the next three weeks with zero comms. Vodafone promised us numerous dates for resumed service, and broke them all. We got sick of trying to explain the situation to different call centre staff in the Phillipines and I eventually wrote to Vodafone CEO, Russell Stanners. Within a few days the problem was sorted and we received a $1,000 credit on our account.

    I've emailed you his address Ian. Merry xmas!

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1388 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to steven crawford,

    The theory is they bring foreign currency here. They also just happen to provide large construction projects that the financial sector can make lots of money from, with public agencies helping reduce the risk.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19697 posts Report Reply

  • Rosemary McDonald, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    What is unbeleivable is that Christchurch is still dealing with this four years later.

    One would think that there would be a plan, a protocol, a system.

    Family X is temporarily moving into Y address while property Z is being repaired.

    Here is Customer Service Person C, who sole job it is to facilitate this temporary change of address with minimum further impact on Customer X.

    This should be routine.

    FFS.

    Waikato, or on the road • Since Apr 2014 • 1344 posts Report Reply

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