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  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Bill Bennett,

    Global mode action: You Canute be serious (http://billbennett.co.nz/2015/04/03/global-mode-action-you-canute-be-serious/).

    including that closing bracket in the url link confuses the poor site-finding beast
    this is the link that works:
    http://billbennett.co.nz/2015/04/03/global-mode-action-you-canute-be-serious/

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7892 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    including that closing bracket in the url link confuses the poor site-finding beast

    Congratulations Ian. Anyone capable of fixing a simple broken link like that could also set up a VPN with their eyes closed. ;-)

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1386 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    In the olden days, which I guess are still going on, the Warehouse or whoever would buy a container-load of DVDs from a middleman in the US, send them over here and sell them. The rights holders would (presumably) get paid on a US retail sale and everybody would be vaguely happy, especially as such grey imports are explicitly legal in NZ copyright law.

    What's the difference if it's bytes rather than media? Netflix will see a US person watching the movie and pay over a few cents as usual to the producers. Sure, they won't get the extra NZ royalty and a bunch of middlemen won't get paid. Sad.

    Companies like Sky and Telecom are a 21st century version of the Ferme générale of pre-revolutionary France - they get a license from government* to (try and) extort taxes from us peasants.

    * Actually the ancien régime was less corrupt in that the fermiers explicitly paid for their taxing rights. Now, it's everything from helping the government spy on us to providing it with a propaganda channel.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    including that closing bracket in the url link confuses the poor site-finding beast

    yes, bit of a bug - you need to add an extra space between the link and the following character.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Bill Bennett, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    That's what comes of not reading the instructions under the Post box....

    Auckland • Since Apr 2012 • 11 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    But whether we like it or not, the reality of the content model today, put in place by content owners, is that premium video content is sold with geographic rights at very substantial prices. And often those geographic rights are a key part of the revenue model that allows that content to be made. It’s a similar principle that sees the NZRU dependent on selling rights to broadcast All Black tests exclusively and at a premium in order to help retain talent.

    See, here is the problem.
    You state that... " the reality of the content model today, put in place by content owners,"
    and then go on to say... "those geographic rights are a key part of the revenue model that allows that content to be made." which is to say "the content creators".
    It is a false equivalence. The creators are, more often than not, people who work for a lot less than CEOs and the lawyers that protect them and they do not own the rights to their own work but cared enough to create that work for you to sit back and enjoy the profits from, not only the consumers of that work but also the advertising revenue and any global resales, which is the whole point of the global model of artificial restrictions wished for by the worlds media comanies, which add up to little more than the behaviour of a cartel.
    And what a small cartel that is, just a handfull of wealthy owners double dipping on that same content over and over again. You don't pay your "creators twice, why should you have that "right".

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sacha,

    yes, bit of a bug – you need to add an extra space between the link and the following character.

    It's not a bug, it's how URLs work! :-)

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    it's a bug in how Supermodel *auto-converts* plain text to a URL.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    This is quite a good source for looking at how complicated territorial rights make Netflix's business. What's on Netflix, where:

    https://netflixaroundtheworld.com/

    Point of interest: all 10 eps of Netflix's new production of Marvel's Daredevil turned up on Netflix NZ on Saturday – before they showed up on Netflix US!

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Sacha,

    it’s a bug in how Supermodel *auto-converts* plain text to a URL.

    No, Supermodel can't know what characters are meant to be in a URL. If you pasted the same string into a browser, that would be broken too.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22756 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    Perhaps we should be looking at this as another example of The Tragedy of the commons

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • llew40, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Never seen that theory before Steve (oh what a sheltered life) - fascinating

    Since Nov 2012 • 140 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Russell Brown,

    If by obsolete, you mean “the one that currently works”.

    Except that it obiously is not working, or we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    [edit] Snap, Sacha

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2930 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Sacha,

    it's a bug in how Supermodel *auto-converts* plain text to a URL.

    Its not a bug its a function. (appologies to apple) ;-)
    It is part of the HTTP protocol. If you were to allow the protocol to "guess" where the URL ends we would be in a right pickle I can tell you. It works for the front end, ie HTTP or WWW but not the back end, which can be literally anything.

    note. Over the past decade you have been allowed to drop the HTTP and/or WWW in the browser address bar and it is auto filled, mostly "behind the scenes".
    nzherald.co.nz will take you direct to the herald for instance but (nzherald.co.nz) will search for that text.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Graeme Edgeler,

    You want to *clarify* it? So if the result is a clear “global mode is legal” then you won’t be appealing, or pushing for regulatory change because you’ll have that clarity, and that’s all you want?

    Well put, young Edge.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2930 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Supermodel can’t know what characters are meant to be in a URL

    ah, ok

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19688 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Peter Darlington,

    Sky will always hold on to a non-tech and rural base here in NZ but Lightbox has feck all leverage and you wonder if Spark has really even understood the business it is getting into?

    When has Telecom/Spark/Cat'sBum ever understood the business it's in, let alone the ones it has tried to get into. Remember Xtraville?

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2930 posts Report Reply

  • Mikaere Curtis, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Enclosure is the real – and unmitigable – tragedy of the commons. Artificial geographic rights zones are another form of enclosure (in this case, from the market, as opposed to the customary owners).

    The real question the content delivery industry needs to be asking themselves is: “how can we deliver the content *better* than teh torrentz ?” Things like high quality, fast delivery (local servers), and reasonable price spring to mind. Perpetuating monopolistic business models, while it might allow short-term gouging (which is what Telecom did), hardly seems to be the enduring way forward.

    Tamaki Makaurau • Since Nov 2006 • 528 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to llew40,

    Never seen that theory before Steve (oh what a sheltered life) - fascinating

    This is why there is a copyright type called "creative commons"

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    It's because inventing markup that can be easily input by humans, allows markup special characters to be used as literals, and that is consistently unambiguous is a moderately hard problem.

    IMHO, Tim-Berners Lee made a reasonable job of it in 1993, and most attempts at a simplified markup language will have a range of undocumented glitches and/or won't allow certain results to be achieved.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Mikaere Curtis,

    Enclosure is the real - and unmitigable - tragedy of the commons.

    Very true and "The Tragedy of the Commons" is the analysis of the causes and effects of that.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    IMHO, Tim-Berners Lee made a reasonable job of it in 1993,

    And never claimed the IP.

    Berners-Lee made his idea available freely, with no patent and no royalties due. The World Wide Web Consortium decided that its standards should be based on royalty-free technology, so that they could easily be adopted by anyone.

    World Wide Web Consortium. 5 February 2004. Retrieved 25 May 2008.

    Also, interestingly enough...

    In a Times article in October 2009, Berners-Lee admitted that the initial pair of slashes ("//") in a web address were actually "unnecessary". He told the newspaper that he could easily have designed web addresses not to have the slashes. "There you go, it seemed like a good idea at the time," he said in his lighthearted apology.

    BBC. 14 October 2009. Retrieved 14 October 2009.

    Thanks Tim, for helping me share stuff.
    ;-)

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7892 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    Here's some news which is relevant to the impending legal threats. CallPlus (that's CallPlus, Slingshot and Orcon) has just been sold to Australian telco M2 for $250 million.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1386 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Bart Janssen,

    I accept that legally Lightbox an co might be in the right, that isn’t necessarily something you should be proud of.

    I echo your sentiments there Bart.

    That's valable market research right there, Lightbox company. You are now aligned to pay public address.

    Easy payment options available below the search box on this page.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4327 posts Report Reply

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