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  • ChrisW, in reply to Ben Austin,

    The various speeches in support from those on the right - Banks, Henere, or Burrows are especially moving, given the expectation of a contrary view.

    Suggest you listen again to Chester B*o*rrows’ speech. He wrong-footed me and many others while teetering on the pivot point between the ayes and noes, before falling back with the noes as in his second reading speech.

    Gisborne • Since Apr 2009 • 851 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to ChrisW,

    Suggest you listen again to Chester B*o*rrows’ speech. He wrong-footed me and many others while teetering on the pivot point between the ayes and noes

    I don't know what happened during that speech, but I feel dirty. And for sheer entertainment value, Tau Henare following (predictably vile and incoherent) Winston Peters and staking his claim to the Bitchiest. Straight. Man. Ever? Priceless. (Second Place: Maurice Williamson breaking out the science, and revealing that he'd last 2.3 seconds in eternal hell fire.)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Raymond A Francis,

    Good to see that the majority of parliamentarians can show some good sense once in a while despite some nasty opposition

    On the other hand I wonder just how may same sex marriages there will be as apparently not may went into Civil Unions (anybody know the figures Google doesn’t seem to know)
    Less and less heterosexuals have been availing themselves of their rights, so it will be interesting to see how the .07% (12000+ in the last counted census) same sex living together get hitched

    45' South • Since Nov 2006 • 576 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Raymond A Francis,

    On the other hand I wonder just how may same sex marriages there will be as apparently not may went into Civil Unions

    But as Maryan Street eloquently put it, that's not really the point. Speaking for myself, I've got zero interest in getting all Beyonce on anyone's arse. Put a ring on it, or don't. Become a CUP-cake, or don't. Live in sinful bliss or stage your own private production of Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, or don't. Do any or all or none of the above, with or without benefit of clergy (or other appropriate spiritual personage) as you see fit.

    But don't you dare presume to make the choice for me. All I want is genuine equality before the civil law. Nothing more. Nothing less.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Raymond A Francis, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I agree, how people organise their own lives is their business, has always been my position
    If they want to get married, great, if not, so what
    That same sex (and all the other varieties) now have the same legal rights is something for all of us to feel good about

    45' South • Since Nov 2006 • 576 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart, in reply to Raymond A Francis,

    On the other hand I wonder just how may same sex marriages there will be as apparently not may went into Civil Unions (anybody know the figures Google doesn’t seem to know)

    Civil unions in NZ, numbers.

    But, as Craig said, it doesn't matter shit. Some laws are about standing up and making a statement about who we are as a nation. They're bigger and far more important than their on the ground practical effect. This is one of them.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4650 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    So I wonder of we will now see a whole bunch of conservative christians getting married in church but not in the new civil 'gay' marriage? it would be a strange turnabout

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2606 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    Some highlights from last night. (Yes, I am hung-over, and yes my phone battery died before the night was out, yes I am still catching up.)

    Surprise highlight of the third reading: Maurice Williamson.

    Kevin Hague also made me cry like a little girl. I've seldom been prouder of my partner than when he sidled up to Kevin after the select committee hearing and apologised to him for the shit he'd had to listen to that morning.

    The ayes voting paper and the nays voting paper. The number of proxies is... a thing. Two MPs changed their votes - David Bennett from no to yes, and Rino Tirikatene from yes to no. Nobody seems to know why in either case.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4650 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Some laws are about standing up and making a statement about who we are as a nation. They're bigger and far more important than their on the ground practical effect. This is one of them.

    Thank you Emma.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Emma Hart,

    Some highlights from last night. (Yes, I am hung-over, and yes my phone battery died before the night was out, yes I am still catching up.)

    I figured you might be suffering, so I wrote a thing. :-)

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22749 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Emma Hart,

    But, as Craig said, it doesn’t matter shit. Some laws are about standing up and making a statement about who we are as a nation. They’re bigger and far more important than their on the ground practical effect. This is one of them.

    Quoted for truth.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22749 posts Report Reply

  • JoJo,

    I feel quite fucking teary today. I've never thought that I'd want or be able to marry my partner - but now at least we can make that decision for ourselves.

    My main reason for celebrating this is for the generations of Kiwis who will be born into a country where being gay isn't shown by legislation to mean 'less' or 'abnormal'. It might not make a difference right now for a kid who's being bullied or teased for being queer - but it will.

    Wellington • Since Jul 2008 • 95 posts Report Reply

  • Gee, in reply to JoJo,

    - but now at least we can make that decision for ourselves.

    My main reason for celebrating this is for the generations of Kiwis who will be born into a country where being gay isn't shown by legislation to mean 'less' or 'abnormal'. It might not make a difference right now for a kid who's being bullied or teased for being queer - but it will.

    so much this!!
    thanks for another gem, emma

    Canada, eh • Since May 2011 • 78 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic,

    Congrats to all. I'll let the music speak for itself.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5416 posts Report Reply

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