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  • Emma Hart,

    Do you mean that The L Word has realistic sex scenes?

    Heh, well it deviates from the Standard Sex Scene in one way, which is one way more than most shows do.

    But I'm equally happy about the whole Hoochie Mamma philosophy - that you don't have to be angular and taut to be sexy.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4650 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    And I have to admit that I made the decision early on not to watch OF. I can't remember why. I now regret that decision.

    Me too. I could invent a reason though. Fortunately, you can rent the earlier seasons on DVD - I'm sorely tempted, if the sex scenes are all Emma's making them out to be.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10633 posts Report Reply

  • Jolisa,

    if the [OF] sex scenes are all Emma's making them out to be.

    They're often funny, which is also rare in TV sex land.

    Do you mean that The L Word has realistic sex scenes?

    Realistic? Oh dear no, that is not what I turn to television for. I can get that at home :-)

    To be realistic, though, prime time TV drama -- at least in the US -- is pretty tightly constrained by decency laws, so probably the best we can hope for on the non-cable channels is the occasional glimpse of two chaps in business socks, or a pair of comely gals inexplicably wearing bras, as they grip the sheets (nice call, Emma) and sigh "That was marvellous."

    Auckland, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 1472 posts Report Reply

  • Jolisa,

    I mean to say: we can hope for much more (I do) but can expect the least they can get away with.

    Auckland, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 1472 posts Report Reply

  • Sue,

    And I have to admit that I made the decision early on not to watch OF. I can't remember why. I now regret that decision.

    i think they are showing everything from the very beginning starting next Tuesday.

    or you could pop down to the local library and rent it on DVD, i know that's how i started watching Galactica and the sopranos.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 527 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    re HBO and American network TV. By some coincidence, I did a lecture today on HBO as 'transgressive' television, quoting both David Chase ("I had had it up to here with all the niceties of network television...I don't mean language and I don't mean violence. I just mean storytelling, inventiveness, something that really could entertain and surprise people" ) and Janet McCabe & Kim Akass in Quality TV 2007 ("HBO is conscious of defying television convention, adopting a tone with their original programming that makes it obvious that they know they are being openly transgressive"

    My wife and I have this conversation regularly. The room that, for example, HBO shows get to 'breathe' and develop compared to network shows is quite noticable.

    'Homicide: Life on the streets', and 'The Wire' were both created and written (mostly) by David Simon. The first screened on NBC, and 'The Wire' on HBO.

    Although 'Homicide' did have character development over the series arc, it still more or less wrapped up each episode at the end of each episode. On the other hand, 'The Wire' is notorious for having payoffs not only several episodes later, but several series later.

    I suppose the subscription-only model of networks like HBO has acted as something of a pressure valve to divert that block of viewers who want something more, away from the lobotomised fare available on the mainstream networks.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    The characters talk about sex constantly, but Charlie, the ultimate he-whore, is always shown in bed in a t-shirt, boxers, and sometimes socks.

    This is the standard apparel of male porno stars. I don't think the joke is lost on 50% of the audience. I see coded references to hetero porn for men in that show every time I have the misfortune to be subjected to it.

    I'm deriving a certain amount of wry amusment from your willingness to (ahem) 'let it all hang out' vis-a-vis your knowledge of porn, and the contrast with your reaction to something as anodyne as 'two-and-a-half men' (ugh! disgusting! of course I never watch that crap!)

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    Not to mention The L Word

    Um, good call... If you're slightly beyond being titilated by the idea of ladies enjoying an occasional helping of muff then 'The L Word' kind of worked as an utterly gonzo soap opera -- West Hollywood 90210, if you like or Grey's Clitoris. Not my cup of tea, but there you go.

    But the nice thing about 'Outrageous Fortune' is that Cheryl and Judd might not be as flexible as they used to be (and aren't in denial about it) but they'll be damned if they're ever going to stop fucking their brains out. Even if the wages of sin are pains in parts you didn't know you have, and senior moments when you're looking for your knickers. :)

    But, damn it, if I happened to be bisexually inclined there is no way I'd kick Robyn Malcolm and Kirk Torrance out of bed if they were offering. They're not "taut and angular", but they're not exactly 'turn the lights out and think of England' material either...

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    My wife and I have this conversation regularly. The room that, for example, HBO shows get to 'breathe' and develop compared to network shows is quite noticable.

    But how about True Blood? That show is so awesomely, multi-levelled stupid its brilliant. And the moment the guy who plays Jason Stackhouse wanders into shot ballocks naked, I just stop thinking about my sneaking suspicion that the coffee in the writer's room is laced with PCP.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Sayana,

    Up until, oh about 3 episodes ago, I had never seen more than about 30 seconds of Outrageous Fortune.

    Then I went to visit a certain friend who was recovering after a major operation and was subjected to a Whole Episode.

    So now, I have how many series to catch up on?

    Thanks for that, Emma :-)

    Since Sep 2008 • 50 posts Report Reply

  • Tony Parker,

    But, damn it, if I happened to be bisexually inclined there is no way I'd kick Robyn Malcolm and Kirk Torrance out of bed if they were offering.

    There's a number of older single women teachers at school who would quite happily have Judd/Torrance's shoes under their bed.

    Napier • Since Nov 2008 • 232 posts Report Reply

  • Emma Hart,

    So, this means I'm not the only person with a list of OF characters in order of bonkability? (Basically, you just make a list in order of niceness, and then tip it upside down.)

    if I happened to be bisexually inclined...

    Don't let me get in your way, I'll be in the basement.

    Thanks for that, Emma :-)

    That's okay, love, think of it as the gift that'll keep on giving for several years to come.

    Christchurch • Since Nov 2006 • 4650 posts Report Reply

  • Rich Lock,

    True Blood....Jason Stackhouse wanders into shot ballocks naked

    We just chewed our way through the first series in a couple of weekends (Must....have! More......box sets! Graaaagh!! The Hunger!!!)

    Am I alone in being more than a little disturbed by the scene with him and the Laura Bush mask? :)

    I'll be in the basement

    That's one of those euphemism thingamajigs, right...?

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2728 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    if I happened to be bisexually inclined...

    That's, what, 65°?

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart,

    It's coming soon to TV3, Danielle. PASS

    And can I just reccommend that everyone watches it, because it is AWESOME. (And, for some weird reason, doing double-duty as a rest home for secondary characters from Heroes.)

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    I'm deriving a certain amount of wry amusment from your willingness to (ahem) 'let it all hang out' vis-a-vis your knowledge of porn, and the contrast with your reaction to something as anodyne as 'two-and-a-half men' (ugh! disgusting! of course I never watch that crap!)

    I did it just for you, Rich. Actually I've got a slightly legitimate reason for a greater-than-can-be-usually-mentioned-in-polite-company knowledge of porn - my day-job is blocking spam, and I've had to read an awful lot of it. I've also had to experiment with visual classifiers, which does involve having a 'corpus' of data. My less legitimate reason is that I am good friends with someone who worked in the porn distribution industry.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10633 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Yeah, we've liked Glee a lot too.

    Quite happy to just re-adjust to the local screening schedule though.

    Unlike True Blood, where a certain person in the house had to see it as soon as humanly possible. Or, I suppose, non-humanly possible ...

    Just watched ep 1 of HBO's Bored to Death -- whose quirk quotient included a near-thematic use of Young Marble Giants songs + Ted Danson + drug use.

    I think all good TV now must be targeted at some sort of geek market.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22749 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes,

    I am reading this thread with much amazement. Are you guys telling me that there is a Game show on TV with sex scenes?
    What are the prizes like?.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    So, this means I'm not the only person with a list of OF characters in order of bonkability? (Basically, you just make a list in order of niceness, and then tip it upside down.)

    I work on stupidity, and no inversion necessary -- but I'll spare everyone the epic over share on Aaron Spiller/Munter/Van slash. One rather nice thing about OF is that it's full of characters who are dumb as stumps, but they're not mean-spiritedly written to be laughed at.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • Yamis,

    As a westie high school teacher I'd say most of the characters would be our low to mid graduates.

    Fortunately this year my 7th form geo class would give a WTF?! response to most character behaviour.

    Personally I'd date Pascalle though. Just don't tell my kids.

    Since Nov 2006 • 903 posts Report Reply

  • Amy Gale,

    I think all good TV now must be targeted at some sort of geek market.

    It perpetually amazes me that The Big Bang Theory has enough of an audience to survive. Seems like it's directly targeted at me and my bestest friends. What is everyone else supposed to be seeing in it?

    Also: I love Glee OMG. So. Much.

    tha Ith • Since May 2007 • 471 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Stewart,

    Are you guys telling me that there is a Game show on TV with sex scenes?

    As far as I can tell....no?

    (Although: rule 34. Does that work for TV?)

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 2105 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    It perpetually amazes me that The Big Bang Theory has enough of an audience to survive. Seems like it's directly targeted at me and my bestest friends. What is everyone else supposed to be seeing in it?

    Its a pretty traditional -- if very well-cast and executed -- sitcom (social ineptitude gone wild division): less obnoxious Friends or Two and A Half Men sans co-creator Chuck Lorre's nuts and sluts misogyny. (Seriously, I'm glad Melanie Lynsky has a regular gig but is there a woman on this show that is slightly more nuanced that a castrating shrew or a unhinged whore? I know comedy is never polite or PC, but there's a pervasive air of contempt around that show I find hard to swallow.)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12370 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson,

    Are there any nuanced male characters in it, for that matter?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10633 posts Report Reply

  • George Darroch,

    Although: rule 34. Does that work for TV?

    I'm not sure anyone has written the rules of New Zealand television. Well, the BSA, but they don't count for our purposes.

    WLG • Since Nov 2006 • 2264 posts Report Reply

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