Hard News: Still crazy after all these years
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After the next election Garrett & Brash for ACT Party Co-Prezzies (out of Parliment)
Rodney will join National as a list candidate, regain his weight and take up talk back radio. -
Meanwhile, Garrotte has said that he just "wanted a debate" on his plans to <strike>exterminate brown people</strike> sterilize predicate child abusers.
Annette King, on the other hand, suggested that the money could better be invested in parenting programmes..
It may be my twisted mind, but I imagined someone, possibly Speer, standing up at the Wannsee Conference and suggesting that really, building all these concentration camps wasn't going to be cost-effective and maybe we could educate the Jews to behave in a more Germanic manner.
(Yes, I'm Godwined. So shoot me).
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Apropos Garrett: here's what I want to hear some left politician say.
Let's stipulate that we do have a problem with a bunch of people who drink too much, bash their kids, and lead stupid feckless lives. Let's stipulate that it's a bigger problem than it used to be. Things are different from when you and me and David Garrett were kids. Why is that?
Because in 1984, we shed huge numbers of jobs in this country and the most marginal, vulnerable working families went on benefits. Then in 1991, those benefits were cut. And what we see now is the people who were kids then, in families that broke under the strain, where the transmission of common sense and family know-how got disrupted, failing with their own kids.
Whose fault is that? Neolibs like Garrett's party, that's who.
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I put almost exactly that proposition to Richard Prebble in the University of Auckland quad in 2002, Stephen. He told me I shouldn't listen to my lecturers, and that it was all Muldoon's fault.
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Ah yes. There was no alternative.
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And there still isn't...we need a tank.
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Yes, I'm Godwined. So shoot me
The problem I have with Godwin is that it's generally misused as 'you mentioned the nazis, therefore you automatically lose'.
There's plenty of times the comparison is entirely valid, like it is here.
Early-mid 20th-century, lots of European countries discussed eugenics, or practised sterilising 'undesirables'. The Nazis, in that hyper-efficient Teutonic manner that they had, just took it a (goose) step or two further. The Nazis didn't just drop out of the sky as some mutant abberation one day. Most of their policies were developed from ideas that were only a little way off from quite acceptable mainstream discussion points pan-Europe at the time.
So I do find it a little alarming that Whanker and Garrotte seem to be determined to force this back onto the mainstream agenda.
It may be my twisted mind, but I imagined someone, possibly Speer, standing up at the Wannsee Conference and suggesting that really, building all these concentration camps wasn't going to be cost-effective
You ain't actually all that far off the truth...
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Meanwhile, Garrotte has said that he just "wanted a debate" on his plans to <strike>exterminate brown people</strike> sterilize predicate child abusers.
Well, as I've pointed out in my PA Radio piece this week, perhaps we need to have a "discussion" about making a horse syringe full of drain cleaner a primary mode of cost-effective preventative medicine. (Nothing compulsory, you understand -- just put the option out there, with the promise of a nice fat cheque to the next of kin. Who couldn't make good use of five grand in the middle of a recession?)
After all, old people are such a drain on health and welfare -- still the two largest areas of government spending ($31.75 billion in fiscal 2008/9) -- and it's only going to get worse as the Baby Boomers age. Ditto for people with conditions that require costly long-term interventions like heart disease, diabetes, cancer, alcohol and substance abuse etc. Perhaps we also need to stop those with family histories of such conditions from passing on the bill for their tainted DNA and moral turpitude to ordinary, hard-working families?
Hey, I just want to have a discussion about turning the public health system into a tool of chequebook genocide...
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Where's Jonathan Swift when you need him?
”I have been assured by a very knowing American of my acquaintance in London, that a young healthy child well nursed is at a year old a most delicious, nourishing, and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled ...”
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A topical note: sources in Uzbekistan suggest that this form of forced sterilization is still very much on the agenda in some parts of the world.
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Why sterilize or bribe, when you can buy and sell their organs for much more...to help the genetically challenged enjoy a longer life of wealth and privilege ?
Just ask a lot of them fatcat ozzy transplant patients where their donor organs came from.
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Robbie Siataga - you just hit a raw nerve. In the 2 transplant survivors in *my* whanau, the donor organs CAME FROM WHANAU, you fuckwit. And yes, one of them lives in Oz-
your assumptions are gross, stupid, and mindbogglingly ignorant.
Are you aware, for instance, that a *lot* of Maori have a genetic propensity for kidney disease? -
@StephenJudd
I have a perhaps unusual take on the 7% cut in benefits in '91. Early in that year my PhD stipend came to an end before my bloated project had ended so we had no choice but the dole*. Despite our income prior to registering unemployed being LESS than the dole we still had to stand down for iirc 2+ weeks (we ate lentils, spuds, milk and cheese) and even after the cuts we were still about $20pw better off. Our kids are not delinquent as a result and I bet if asked they would admit being oblivious. They were warm, dry, well housed, fed, nurtured and loved deeply. We survived.
However that is only because we knew the situation to be only temporary (as was surviving on my stipend). Contemplating at the time what it must be like to live like this year and after year and raise kids beyond the infants ours were I very much did not want to go there. I truly do not know how most people don't go down the drain living under those constraints. What is remarkable is not that some people crack under the strain, but that more don't. That people are that resilient is not imho a good enough reason to keep them in such penury.
*The dept and the university 'forgot' about me for a year, which is how I managed to be a PhD student and on the dole. The DSW were extremely understanding and helpful, they are thanked for financial support in the acknowledgements in my thesis.
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Oh wind your neck in islander ya daft cow! You can't possibly think i'm serious about harvesting organs ?...This isnt India
http://www.theage.com.au/national/dr-horror-made-rich-on-body-parts-20100301-pdla.html
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Fuck off mate - you have ignored what I actually wrote, and I resent your language. You should read 'mate' in a Maori sense of the word.
As in, wont ever respond to any of your pollywogish dubmuggashit posts again. -
hmmm...let's see Islander
You call me a fuckwit with gross, stupid, and mindbogglingly ignorant assumptions then proceed to tell me what i should have done and reckon i should fuck off...and you don't like my language ???...hahaha
Grow up and play the ball not the man or i will flame you like you would not believe.
Still crazy after all these years. What a great title for an autobigraphy.
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Mr Siataga I believe you just stepped over the line...
Do unto others as you have them do unto you...
Russell I hope you'll be deleting that post at 8.52 - which I see as a personal intrusion against the privacy of another PAS member.
(and delete this as it won't make any sense on its own - though it would make a point) -
Call it how you see it, but if you're gonna start outing peoples pseudonyms then it's tit for tat.
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Where's Jonathan Swift when you need him?
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Over at DPF's latest post on the issue, a commenter connects the sterilisation-eugenics dots:
FFS Surely the medical fraternity can identify a train wreck from the time a female presents herself at a doctors in a pregnant condition.
Is it not totally irresponsible to the unborn child and society who will have to bear the ongoing costs for some positive actions and interfaces to occur at that point. Or do we have a Pontius Pilate medical profession.
If anyone's stomach remains unturned out there now...
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a female
This term is an invariable signifier that the writer is a douchebag.
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i will flame you like you would not believe.
I don't know where you think you are, Robbie, but not here you won't.
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some positive actions and interfaces to occur at that point
Good god, I suppose it is better that we know about these beliefs in our society, but only if we then do something to prevent them influencing public policy.
Oh crap, too late...
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not here you won't.
Of course not Emma, but please, if you're going to edit my reference to Islanders real name, can you also take out the references to the other pseudonyms first mentioned and whatever else she wrote which contravenes the site policy regarding insults and flaming...thanks.
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Robbie, I'll direct this to Russell at this point - I think there's a very clear difference between what I've removed and what I've left, however.
And if you're going to "of course" not do things? Not threatening to do them would be a useful step for you.
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