Legal Beagle by Graeme Edgeler

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Legal Beagle: Practical considerations

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  • Tristan,

    How will Maori get the option to change rolls now that the census is canceled?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 187 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    but I appreciated Danyl’s observation:

    Oh, frak that -- the concern trolling about the public purse gets trotted out by political hack too bloody often.

    Well, you know something -- democracy costs. So does a police force and judiciary in a national with any pretensions to civilization. YMMV whether whether you'd like to life in a nation that's that efficient.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11614 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Perhaps Harawira is going for a byelection now as an early practical test of that agreement with the Maori Party not to campaign against one another? See if it extends to the flaxroots networks, etc.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15715 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    democracy costs

    Agree. Hard to get worked up about this instance when there has been so much extravagant pork-barrelling in the last couple of years.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15715 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    How will Maori get the option to change rolls now that the census is canceled?

    After the next census is held. Given that there is a general election this year, even had the census been held this year, the Maori option, and the redrawing of the boundaries would have been delayed until next year.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2968 posts Report Reply

  • Raymond A Francis,

    So if he is doing it for the money he has stuffed up big time but not for the first time
    Wonder if Hone (or his followers) reads PA , doubt it as we tend to be mostly white m.f.s but it would be nice if he got the message

    45' South • Since Nov 2006 • 521 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    After the next census is held. Given that there is a general election this year, even had the census been held this year, the Maori option, and the redrawing of the boundaries would have been delayed until next year.

    So they've still been screwed out of their option to switch for 2014?

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    So they've still been screwed out of their option to switch for 2014?

    Only if the census never happens. I don't imagine that will be the case.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2968 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Oh, frak that -- the concern trolling about the public purse gets trotted out by political hack too bloody often.

    Well, you know something -- democracy costs.

    Indeed. And I expect that if Hone wasn't seeking a new mandate, the same people currently complaining about the cost would be complaining that he was illegitimate because he had founded a new party.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1591 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    Only if the census never happens. I don't imagine that will be the case.

    Well, it was cancelled, not postponed, right? So the next one is 2016?

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to 3410,

    will be next year

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15715 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Raymond A Francis,

    So if he is doing it for the money he has stuffed up big time but not for the first time

    Honestly, trying to figure out what’s flitting through Hone Harawira’s mind at any given moment is like trying to do one of the super-sized sudoku puzzles with a hangover. Big ups if you can do it, but I’m not smart or masochistic enough to try.

    Indeed. And I expect that if Hone wasn’t seeking a new mandate, the same people currently complaining about the cost would be complaining that he was illegitimate because he had founded a new party.

    Well, of course I’d say this, but Phil Goff’s concern trolling about the public purse was delightfully amusing. What did he think would be the outcome when he was calling for Pansy Wong’s resignation? Also don’t remember him having a damn thing to say when the incumbent MP for Mount Albert announced her intention to “force” a by-election the day she was returned with a near ten-and-a-half thousand majority.

    Having said that, that kind of political concern trolling is far from exclusive to Labour. National was so desperate to avoid a by-election in New Plymouth, they happily voted to retrospectively amend the Electoral Act under extreme urgency.

    Either change the damn law so no MP can trigger a by-election unless they’re dead, gaga or being sent to prison or STFU.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11614 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    I would say that one good reason for the by-election is to (assuming that Hone wins) establish his hold on the electorate and thus enable those considering voting for the Mana Party at the general election to be sure that their votes will not be wasted.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4209 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    I would say that one good reason for the by-election is to (assuming that Hone wins) establish his hold on the electorate and thus enable those considering voting for the Mana Party at the general election to be sure that their votes will not be wasted.

    That assumes that his opponents will contest. If his major opponent comes from the McGillicuddy Serious Party like Winston's did in 1993, or the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party like Tariana's did in 2004, the precedent will be worth much less.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2968 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant, in reply to Graeme Edgeler,

    That assumes that his opponents will contest. If his major opponent comes from the McGillicuddy Serious Party like Winston's did in 1993, or the Aotearoa Legalise Cannabis Party like Tariana's did in 2004, the precedent will be worth much less.

    I expect it'll be the Hapu Party, which is only slightly more serious.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1591 posts Report Reply

  • Kyle Matthews,

    I'd imagine the reason he's gone with the by-election is to get to campaign once before the actual election - media coverage, establish his brand, celebration party etc. Good dry run, and a pretty much free chance to get publicity and rack up a win with at least a reasonable amount of media attention.

    Since Nov 2006 • 6145 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    If Labour don't run, they'll be on the back foot come the general election. Hone has a huge majority in any case.

    I can see Mana getting 1.5-2% at the general election and hence 2 or 3 MPs. It's even possible that in the unlikely event of a tight result, Labour might need those votes, although they'd probably rather enable a National minority government.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 4209 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Young,

    To change the subject to the other insurgent party leader for the moment, should the Electoral Act 1993 be modified to prevent the undemocratic prospect of an unelected person becoming leader of a parliamentary party?

    Craig Y

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 354 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    should the Electoral Act 1993 be modified to prevent the undemocratic prospect of an unelected person becoming leader of a parliamentary party?

    No.

    1. The Electoral Act doesn't recognise the existence of party leaders at all.
    2. If you don't like him don't vote for him.

    Don Brash's being the Party Leader of ACT doesn't get him into Parliament, doesn't get him a salary, or ACT any funding. It's a name that means precisely nothing in any legal sense.

    I anticipate that ACT will also get a Parliamentary leader some time in the next week. It seemed to work okay for Russel Norman.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2968 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Young,

    One could argue that given that Hone Harawira is seeking a democratic mandate from his constituents, though, he has far more legitimacy than Dr Brash, who can't even be bothered to stand for Parliament, And at least Russell Norman got in via the Green Party list. It'd only take Boscawen or Douglas to step aside for Brash to re-enter. Otherwise, there's the question of legitimacy as an elected leader to dog (...) ACT between now and November.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 354 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Homer, in reply to Craig Young,

    It’d only take Boscawen or Douglas to step aside for Brash to re-enter.

    He's not on the list.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 41 posts Report Reply

  • Graeme Edgeler,

    Michael's right. The only way Dr Brash enters Parliament before the next election is beating Hone Harawira in the Te Tai Tokerau by-election.

    Wellington, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 2968 posts Report Reply

  • Biobbs, in reply to Graeme Edgeler,

    Michael's right. The only way Dr Brash enters Parliament before the next election is beating Hone Harawira in the Te Tai Tokerau by-election.

    I so want to see this contest. Perhaps he could kick off his campaign with a speech in Orewa.

    The River Mouth, Denmark • Since Jan 2011 • 106 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Biobbs,

    I so want to see this contest

    Haven't had a decent lynching for ages

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 15715 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Craig Young,

    And at least Russell Norman got in via the Green Party list.

    Wasn't he co-leader outside Parliament for over two years before entering Parliament? And one could say that folks who party voted Green (and members who participated in the democratic list formation) didn't vote for Mike Ward and Catherine Delahunty to stand aside. That's the problem with playing legitimacy bingo -- it so often comes back to bite.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 11614 posts Report Reply

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