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Hard News: So far from trivial

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  • Yamis,

    So it's like Tony "Soprano" Veitch then?

    Since Nov 2006 • 876 posts Report Reply

  • Julie Fairey,

    My reference to EAP in my last comment should read Employee Assistance Programme, not Employer, sorry!

    Orcland • Since Dec 2007 • 217 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16772 posts Report Reply

  • 3410,

    Is it just me, or is this media statement not available online anywhere, other than quotes in media articles?

    Tony Veitch's statement in full.

    Auckland • Since Jan 2007 • 2618 posts Report Reply

  • Julie Fairey,

    Thanks 3410, I couldn't find it last week, glad to see it is up :-)

    Orcland • Since Dec 2007 • 217 posts Report Reply

  • Julie Fairey,

    Having had a quick look at that statement it's interesting that it differs a little from how he read it, which is to be expected of course, but things like pauses and leaving words out become significant in this situation I guess. For example the bit that I quoted above, which I typed as he said it on the telly, reads differently in the text.

    Anyway, thanks again for the link.

    Orcland • Since Dec 2007 • 217 posts Report Reply

  • Carolyn Skelton,

    In his statement Veitch said that since the incident he and Kristin had kept in touch continualy since the "incident". This made it sound that they were still on failry friendly terms. Yet he didn't find out the extent of her injuries til 2 months later according to the Holmes interview. And then the settlement was reached several months after that.

    In the Holmes interview Veitch also says he underwent counselling for a year. Yet the TVNZ statement says:

    http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/536641/1903549

    "Ellis said that on December 17 2007, TVNZ's Head of Television, Head of Corporate Affairs, Head of News and Current Affairs and News and Current Affairs Legal Counsel met with Tony Veitch at his request.?"

    At this meeting the TVNZ people claim:

    "We offered to put him in touch with some counselling and a lawyer to act for him at his own expense."

    Since Nov 2006 • 39 posts Report Reply

  • Julie Fairey,

    Carolyn, that's exactly what sparked my concern that the counselling was organised by his employer and was more in the EAP vein than the domestic violence vein... The Holmes interview (which I've just read) tends to indicate that the counselling was focused on Veitch's problems around forming and maintaining relationships, which is something else again.

    I don't expect him to fully disclose the intimate details of his counselling, but I would really like to know if the counselling focused at all on him taking responsibility for his actions. From reading the Holmes interview it doesn't sound to me like he has. It reads as if he felt that the violence happened to him, not that it was perpetrated by him.

    Orcland • Since Dec 2007 • 217 posts Report Reply

  • Anita Easton,

    24 hours and I am still boggled by the last sentence of the Holmes interview:

    There is another harrowing meeting to prepare for as he fights, as he must, to save his career and his livelihood.

    That paints a pretty disturbing picture of Holmes' world view. Why is saving his career and livelihood the must? Aren't there things that Holmes would think are worth more than that?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 18 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Julie, TVNZ were very precise in their statements that they suggested a counsellor but did not provide one, presumably including EAP.

    I imagine any one-on-one sessions would have been useful, although may have lacked the bigger picture or specialised focus of anti-violence programmes, and the getting real from a group approach.

    Harrowing, indeed. I'm sure the narcissistic "poor Tony" spin continued by Holmes and co is part of what is pissing people off, although it does seem to have succeeded in garnering sympathy as no doubt was its intent.

    Carolyn, I'm still struggling to make the quoted timelines match up too.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16772 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Well, Paul, I also think it's perfectly reasonable to wonder how that post actually contributed anything to a serious public policy debate. At least, if you're going to imply a political party doesn't really give a shit about preventing violence against women and children make a slightly stronger case than drawing a very long bow indeed from abolishing the Families Commission.

    It was actually a reasonable point, although, of course, I wouldn't have phrased it in Standard-speak.

    The quote is from written responses to questions from Kiwi Parent, which is published by Parents Centres NZ Inc.

    **Families Commission - What value do you place on the role of the Families Commission in New Zealand? What is your party's intentions towards the Families Commission, do you intend to keep it, disband it, or change its current form?**

    National believes that the Families Commission should focus on supporting everyday parents. We are not convinced that all of their current work, including advertising campaigns worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, are necessarily of practical help to mums and dads.

    The implication being that social campaigns are chiefly of interest to Wellington bureaucrats rather than proper people. It's an expedient and meaningless response.

    There's a lot of spin in the responses, and some really needless politicking.

    Key even manages to sling off at Labour in his answer to a question about breastfeeding. He'd have been better off just saying his party cautiously supported the Employment Relations (Breaks and Infant Feeding) Amendment Bill, which comes back from select committee this month.

    Compare Labours's positive response, and that of the Greens and the Maori Party. None of them sling off at other parties.

    The only thing I'm not clear on now is the actual date of the questions and response, but I presume it wasn't long ago. But the more I look into this, the more National's offering looks like one big fucking dog whistle, and the less I mind the Standard having a crack. Somebody needed to.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18970 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    But the more I look into this, the more National's offering looks like one big fucking dog whistle, and the less I mind the Standard having a crack. Somebody needed to.

    And I don't object to The Standard "having a crack" -- hell, I'd think there was something wrong with the laws of nature if that particular corner of the blogisphere ever missed on opportunity to slag off the Tories, fairly or not. But the timing and the, as you put it, 'Standard-speak' tone was off. Hell, when a police officer is killed in the line of duty even Greg O'Connor can tone it down a bit from his usually apocalyptic 'you're with us, or against us' line. (Though I wouldn't be at all surprised if someone proves me wrong -- my expectations of the man are that low.)

    I just think there are some occasions where even the most partisan should just chill, because the issue is going to be there where the public temperature is a few degrees lower.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12034 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    . . . one big fucking dog whistle

    "Mums and dads" coming from any politician is inherently patronising and condescending. "Everyday parents" is creepily reminiscent of 2005's "mainstream".

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 3559 posts Report Reply

  • Deborah,

    I think the Standard is right to have a go at this one too. But Maia is right, as is Craig - they shouldn't be trading on the pain suffered by the woman who was assaulted by Tony Veitch to make their point.

    Manawatu City • Since Nov 2006 • 1323 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia,

    "Mums and dads" coming from any politician is inherently patronising and condescending. "Everyday parents" is creepily reminiscent of 2005's "mainstream"

    Joe: Damn skippy. I'd actually like all political parties to just STFU with "we're standing up for hardworking families [as opposed to the barren and lazy, I guess] and those other bastards... well, draw your own conclusions". I'm so fraking sorry that the better half and I haven't quite got the hang of parthenogenesis, but we are trying to stop being so bloody useless -- biology be damned! :)

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12034 posts Report Reply

  • Jackie Clark,

    just as an aside, how do these gravatar thingies work?

    Mt Eden, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 3123 posts Report Reply

  • kowhai montgomery,

    Hey Sasha,

    Thank you so much for posting the link to the Radio NZ stuff. That is a real man doing some serious fronting up. Even by just posting that link you are doing a good thing.

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 485 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Ta, Kowhai. The contrast between the genuine honesty in that radio interview and the superficial whining we've seen with Veitch so far really made an impact on me. Hard to do..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16772 posts Report Reply

  • kowhai montgomery,

    There but for the grace of God? There but for more people than I can name who do bless me with unconditional love than includes undiluted reality and zero tolerance for self-delusion and self-justification.

    That really hits the nail on the head eh.

    It is not about having no mercy but about saying "It's Not OK" in the most loving way early on in the piece to people in our community BEFORE it degenerates into serious violence.

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 485 posts Report Reply

  • kowhai montgomery,

    Yeah respect to those who genuinely turn their lives around.

    wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 485 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    It is not about having no mercy but about saying "It's Not OK" in the most loving way early on in the piece to people in our community BEFORE it degenerates into serious violence.

    And me. I have far less of an opinion about how anything Veitch has done should be punished, than that it should be accounted. It just has to be.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 18970 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Williams,

    And me. I have far less of an opinion about how anything Veitch has done should be punished, than that it should be accounted. It just has to be.

    Whereas it appears Holmes is already talking about his rehabilitation...

    Sydney • Since Nov 2006 • 2233 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    And commentator Irene Gardiner says on Breakfast telly that it's unfair how everyone's being mean to lil TVNZ (vid stream, 7 mins):
    http://images.tvnz.co.nz/tvnz_video/windows/one_news/bf_media_140708_128k.asx

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16772 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Although she may be out of step with the Board:

    Veitch an embarrassment says chair
    http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1318360/1905293

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16772 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    And everyone is into this phrase of the week:

    Peters lashes out denying donation
    http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/1318360/1905853

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 16772 posts Report Reply

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