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Didn't a Maori Rugby League team play in the Rugby League world cup a while ago? Came... 4th?
Google tells me it was in 2000: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_league/world_cup_2000/group_4/1006739.stm
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you're assuming i don't have a record.
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Kyle, I went to see NZ Maori play Ireland in Dublin, a game notable only for Tawera Nikau being sent off about three seconds after he came on. That world cup had a team from Lebanon also, and wasn't a great advertisement for allowing minnow sides to play from memory. I guess countries like ours are in that hamstrung position where our provincial sides would be competitive with many internatioanl teams at sports like rugby, league or netball.
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Nice to know the stats, once and for all. And with the added bonus of the frisson of cyber flirting. Bonza.
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Somehow it doesn't seem enough to post the "facts" and congratulate ourselves; I wish someone would print Sideline's piece out, roll it up into a baton and give Stephen Jones and his colleagues a comprehensive swatting about the head with it.
(that's not an erotic fantasy, by the way).
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Living in London as i do, I've come to dread opening a newspaper when the ABs are over, as I know I'll have to read yet another tedious ilinformed rant about our PI players.
Trust me it's not just Stephen Jones, all four major national papers have been at it.
The saddest thing is it's been repeated so many times without challenge, it's basically accepted here as gospel. If you strike up a conversation with anyone in a pub about rugby, it's not long before you get the 'well they're not really NZers are they'. To be fair once you've explained things most people tend to be ok & even a bit embarassed, but it's still incredibly annoying.
I know loads of Kiwis have written to the papers with the facts so it's not merely ignorance, and I'm sure they're well aware what they're printing is nonsense but print it anyway. Sadly I doubt a trip to school in South Auckland or the like would change much.
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Not strictly relevant, but I must share this with someone.
Great photos of French rugby players.
Check out http://www.rouvre.com/main.php?lang=en and go to the exhibition called "broken faces".
It's really worth a minute or two.
Marcus
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merc,
Rugby in France holds a special place. During occupation in WW2 there was a restriction on men gathering in groups. Round my brother's village the only thing you could gather to do was play rugby. It followed that this was seen as a very powerful statement, to be able to gather at all.
Rugby in France is imbued with things such as this, including inter-village rivalry, much perhaps like the Maori Iwi competitions here in Taranaki and on the East Coast.
BTW the penalty for gathering during the occupation was death. -
By the way the new Dropkicks podcast is up.
Out of curiosity, I subscribed in iTunes, and listened to about half of the latest podcast on my walk to work this morning.
I rather like it. It's not muntery and doesn't rely on the listener having encylopedic rugby knowledge to understand what's going on. And it's really nicely edited, if I do say so.
(I feel like I'm being initiated into a cult.)
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Robyn G wrote:
(I feel like I'm being initiated into a cult.)
You are.
Gathers in groups at night around flickering fires /screens....stange language of its own....
Just watch for the pamphlets and the funny underwear....
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I think I can see a new tag line: "Listen to the Dropkicks. We're not muntery."
I like it.
But we're not a cult. Most of the time.
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But we're not a cult. Most of the time.
No, you're a bunch of cults.
Boom boom!
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(I feel like I'm being initiated into a cult.)
Great Robyn. You’re well on your way. Now a few points about the breakdown, (forgive me if this is old hat ) The tackle situation is the most obvious example of this. If the ball is on the ground it is a ruck , if it is off the ground it is a maul. Now in the ruck the tackled person must release the ball and the tackler or those arriving at the ruck through ‘the gate’ obviously as you will be aware- can only play the ball if they are on their feet. The tackler must also allow the tackled person to release the ball even if at the same time the tackled person is actually trying to slow up the release until more teammates arrive. No doubt you are already excited by the potential of the new Stellenbosch rules that may come in 2008 in which hands may not be allowed in the ruck and we will be able to revert to actual ‘rucking’ again. Welcome to the club!
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No doubt you are already excited by the potential of the new Stellenbosch rules that may come in 2008 in which hands may not be allowed in the ruck and we will be able to revert to actual ‘rucking’ again.
This sounds obscene. I think I will have to have a cup of peppermint tea and calm down.
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And it's really nicely edited, if I do say so.
why, thank you.
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Marcus nice link to those French Photos.
Reminds me yesty Rosemary McLeod said Rugby was like Gay Porn.
I think she ment Pro Rugby players are camp.Didn't Tonga do well! No Honiss there obviously.
Anyone out there able to tap the Paddys on the shoulder and get them to form a Fighting Wedge when facing a challenge/haka?
I'm told it was the trad battle formation of the Irish & would add something to the pre match size ups. -
(I feel like I'm being initiated into a cult.)
So you're saying the subliminal messages are just a little too loud?
We'll get the indoctrination engineers right on that.
all hail Xenu
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I dunno that you can even pick this nit really. 'Indigenous' usually refers to people who are the original inhabitants eg. Maori in NZ and for instance Zulu in South Africa. I think the Dropkicks have gone for a less loaded word.
i'll give you an inch, but that's all. you're right that "indigenous" has another, loaded meaning, but "homgeneous" is just wrong. it is nonsense to say that something is 90% homogenous. then it's 10% hetereogeneous? wha'?
can we agree on "native born"?
(ok, i know no-one else cares about this, but this is language, people! words have meanings!) -
of course, i meant to spell homogeneous right, as well.... not so good for my credentials as a pedant....
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Native has a pejorative meaning in NZ although positive meaning in the States.
The use here attempts to usurp indegenous status from Maori etc.
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Well, i hate to harp, but i don't think "native-born" has a pejorative meaning in NZ. (if it does, it shouldn't--just like using the word "niggardly" shouldn't spark calls for your resignation.) calling someone (Maori) a "native" (in the sense of a "primitive") is probably offensive, but that is a different use of the word. saying someone is NZ "native-born" simply means they were born in NZ. only an Australian would find that offensive....
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Hi Jim, I don't think you are harping and it is true that words have meanings. I think there are plenty of self-styled pedant/pendants around here, I suspect we enjoy that kind of thing. I kind of am a word freak but my spelling is shocking......what can you do eh.
I think that "native-born" might well be the most accurate term. However I agree with others on this thread that it is good not to get sucked into the "born" argument. Using a term like homogenous is a bit wack for the reasons you stated but I can see why they chose it. My money would be on "home-grown" but that could have a whole different bunch of connotations ; )
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Jim, niggardly should get you fired. I like your search for identity but it requires a wider acknowledgement than you're giving it.
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merc,
Apparently the Celts determined you by where the womb of your womb is buried...
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Apparently the Celts determined you by where the womb of your womb is buried...
sweet that would have me at ‘Taumatawhakatangihangakoauauotamateaturipuka-kapimaungahoronukupokaiwhenuaakitanarahu’ then.
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