Hard News: A thundering clash of perspectives
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(re Back Benches) Jeesus – Watching Wallace wotshisname enabling Seymour and laughing at his braggadocio, is as sickening as the thought of walking National billboard Mike Hosking ‘moderating’ the electoral debates on TV1…
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steven crawford, in reply to
“He steals from the poor, and gives to the rich, stupid bitch.”
He’s onto it! Equality in polite society is a lot more funny.
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Journalists are obliged to see her as the Member of Parliament she's been for the past 15 years, as a would-be member of the country's governing executive.
And I'll say this again because it keeps being ignored, journalists didn't feel obliged to "see" the freshly-minted Police Minister when Michael Woodhouse outed himself as having been... not entirely forthcoming with voters about his historical drunk driving conviction.
I didn't notice the usual suspects busting their girdles when Ruth Dyson was quietly given back most of her ministerial responsibilities after her DUI.
So, yeah, again, can we just stop pretending that journalists are just passive stenographers of the passing parade. They're not. Then et's talk about the "thunderous clash of perspectives" when it comes to moralistic legalism over the rules broken by nice middle-class people -- particularly white middle-class men -- and everyone else.
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Craig Ranapia, in reply to
It was quite striking that Morning Report made a point of saying that David Seymour had tried to shop them some bullshit rumours this week and they weren't having a bar of it. It was an unusually hot burn.
Gee, someone feeling a little guilty about taking an MP out over rumours from a family member that (gasp!) solo mothers get assistance from whanau? And as a lot of people have pointed out, but which a lot of commentators are whistling past, is that when any relationship fails it's not exactly hard to find someone who'll drag you through the mud. If I ever lose my mind and go into politics, feel free to track down my ex- who (I've heard) is still bitter I dumped his arse after catching him dicking my (also ex-) best friend. I basically don't have a functional relationship with my mother, I'm sure she has loads of dirt to dish on what a garbage monster I am.
Listen, in the end Checkpoint got their scoop, collected their scalp and it can't be undone. But I really don't need to see National Radio pretending it's any kind of ethical paragon here. -
izogi, in reply to
Armstrong:
An almost audible groan would rumble along the National Party’s benches at Parliament every time she rose to ask a question. They knew it was a cue for another sanctimonious lecture on National’s failures.
Yes because clearly the real purpose of question time is so that government back-bench MP's can grill Ministers about what makes them so awesome.
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steven crawford, in reply to
I have every sympathy for her, but still felt a sneaking suspicion the ‘moral choice’ was laid on a little thick (forced to lie ‘to feed my baby’ vs ‘to pay the rent’).
That’s pretty much my sentiment. The subtle difference wouldn’t be such a big deal if it wasn’t pitched as part of an election campaign. The difference between truth and honesty is noticeable. Honestly is about abiding by the law of the day, truth is more to do with morality, and authenticity which I think comes more from personal insight than honesty, which in my opinion, is less important to the general electorate. A little bit of dishonesty is expected from a politician, but when they appear to be spinning themselves, we don’t feel comfortable about them taking to much control of our lives, on an instinctive level. That might come up as all sorts of crazy. And I’m guilty of that some times.
On the other hand, I have no idea why people start arguing that it’s all the MSM, ‘pale stale male’ hating on Maori Women. Maybe that’s true. I don’t watch enough MSM to really figor it out.
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andin, in reply to
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Honesty is about abiding by the law of the day, truth is more to do with morality, and authenticity which I think comes more from personal insight
You have no idea do you? here let me help
read this for starters -
steven crawford, in reply to
Andin, don’t be a dick.
Maybe you could tell group who you really are.
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It was a bit rich hearing Seymour on Morning report this morning asking people to have an open mind about his hobby horse euthanasia bill - yet he wasn't prepared to have an open mind about Metiria - but was prepared to try slinging mud of dubious provenance.
Another odious oik that needs his marching orders. -
I think she’ll make an awesome anarchist.
Me too.
Ex Green Party Female Co-leadership Nominees' club. That's an elite group I'd like to see.
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steven crawford, in reply to
I think she’ll make an awesome anarchist.
Funny, when I was in secondary school, Metirias husband came in as an ex-student to run some workshops on politics. All we did was paint anarchy slogans on our cloths. That was before it was in fashion.
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Katharine Moody, in reply to
Well it certainly shows through in the way that we so often talk about child poverty instead of just poverty, even if just to try to make an argument which seems less negotiable.
Yes, that's the deserving/undeserving dichotomy in action for sure. The moral implication of that emphasis on child poverty being that wider society will more likely accept that children are in the 'deserving' poor side (i.e., we can't blame children for having hopeless/'undeserving' parents).
It's one of the key reasons why I favour a UBI going forward - it obliterates that deserving/undeserving type casting. And equally as importantly, it gets rid of the benefit abatement regime - the very thing Metiria was pointing out makes good, caring people desperate and deceptive.
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Sacha, in reply to
Maybe you could tell group who you really are.
Please let's not have this conversation again. People have reasons for using different identities online, though real names are more common here than many other places.
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andin, in reply to
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dont put your ignorance on me go read a book
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steven crawford, in reply to
Please let’s not have this conversation again. People have reasons for using different identities online, though real names are more common here than many other places.
That’s not what I meant Sacha. I meant that Andin might want to offer something more than just insulting my intelligence.
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steven crawford, in reply to
dont put your ignorance on me go read a book
That’s not been my intention. I was only offering my opinion; intending to add some creative thinking. Maybe I'm full of shit? Could you possibly enlighten me about what you think is ingorent about what I said?
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Guys, there really doesn't seem to be a lot of point to this argument. And "you have no idea" and "dick" don't lead anywhere useful. Let's move on.
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steven crawford, in reply to
OK! Sorry, I overreacted.
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The Spin Off has Nandor's take on this whole saga:
https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/11-08-2017/greens-icon-nandor-tanczos-on-metiria-and-what-the-party-really-stands-for/ -
Sacha, in reply to
Thanks, Dave. Note that this site automatically makes links clickable if you paste the whole thing including the beginning.
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steven crawford, in reply to
That’s a pretty good read.
But beneath the dreadlocks is a capable political brain; during his three terms in parliament Tánczos paved the way for the Clean Slate Act, the Waste Minimisation Act and even the growing of hemp in New Zealand.
That Clean Slate Act, has helped a lot of people out of the poverty trap, along side some of the educational opportunities that the national government degraded over the last nine years. What I’m saying to be clear, is that my experience of poverty is that’s it’s not just about the money. It’s not just about how better off an independent or two adults and one child or a single with two or whatever in weekly dollars. It’s important to have enough income to take care of the bills and food, but that only part of it. The Greens made some very meaningful contributions already. children might be hungry but they are a bit less likely to be assaulted by there care givers and those that didn’t do so well socially becouse of they where beaten about the head as children don’t have to admit to having disorderly behaviour convictions from when they where younger. That huge, that’s what the Greens have done without needing to even be the government. Plus, protecting children from assault and allowing people to move on from historic antisocial behaviour doesn’t cost tax payers much of there hard earned money.
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So educational opportunity is the other big way to solve the embarising social statistics IMO. Earning an applied arts degree during my mid thirties has enriched my who family. It’s where I learned how to read and write. If I had just stayed on a benefit, or continued to work for the minimum wage, most of you people here on public address would know that exists. Which is good and bad:-)
So fix the benefits, yes. But that’s just purging steam, which needs happening, but the bigger picture – what prevents people from thriving also need to be looked at. It’s not just that there isn’t enough money in the dole check. That’s known by professional politicians, it’s the communicating that I’m not seeing just now, becouse there's to much shouting about John Key got away with Dirty politics and it's obviously (and I agree) unfare that Matiria Turei gets craped on. Thing is, the original idea was to start a conversation about solving the problem of unexeptable poverty and inequality. So yay, here we go...
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Nandor still has a clarity of thought & expression that no amount of getting high has defeated (takes one to know one) but someone copied a link recently to a 2006 thing he wrote on his own site that outlined why the green movement was neither left nor right. The GP political position ought to become authentic accordingly. It would have helped if he had noted the back-fire effect of the caucus mis-reading its support base.
I went down to see him when he was living in Ngaruawahia a few years ago & asked him if he'd joined the Greens as a consequence of me taking the draft Green justice policy to him & Mike Finlayson to get their approval when they were fronting NORML in the early nineties, & he acknowledged that's why he switched sometime later. I was hoping to recruit him and form an alternative political movement (to finesse rapid progress, that democracy always prevents) but he said his young family situation made him unavailable.
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Rosemary McDonald, in reply to
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.... Seymour on Morning report ..... have an open mind..... euthanasia bill – yet .... Metiria ..... slinging mud of dubious provenance.
Another odious oik ....Yes, curdled the milk in my ricies it did...
Perhaps, and this is only a suggestion mind, since Metiria has actual lived experience of her hobby horse...surviving on a benefit...shouldn't Seymour do likewise with his?Now of course I'm not suggesting that he end it all. Of course not.
But while he sits smug in his snug world of privilege, gloating on the political demise of one who presumed to open up the festering wound that is poverty and inequality in Godzone, beneficiaries have died for the sins of WINZ.
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Mikaere Curtis, in reply to
Nandor still has a clarity of thought & expression that no amount of getting high has defeated
Got a citation for this ? Why are you painting him as a stoner ? What evidence do you have beyond that he espouses Rastifarianism - many who use marijuana in a way that is comparable to how red wine is used in a Catholic sacrament ?
This kind of stereotyping always annoyed me when Nandoor was an MP, and it still rankles.
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