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Hard News: Dirty Politics

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  • Brian Murphy, in reply to SHG,

    That Hide-blackmail story is the bit that stands out as revealing “OK, some of this stuff is just plain made-up”.

    Or does it say something about the people discussing the idea, their world view, and morals.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 48 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    (which seems to be pretty dodgy – Lichtenstein address)

    Dodgy, indeed.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5328 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Richard Aston,

    Tick it to ride...

    Are we there yet Tom?

    It's a charade...
    not a charabanc!
    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7480 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie,

    A blogger and a National strategist blackmailing a Minister of the Crown and leader of a political party to force his retirement?

    Isn't that what the Whips' Office does on a regular basis? Sure, it's generally not as rough as the alleged blackmail here, but "senior National Party figures use pressure to force politicians to do what they want" is pretty much a truism.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Barker, in reply to Keir Leslie,

    What's also a little shocking here is Odgers' professional incompetence. As has been pointed out here already. N. Hager is listed in the Wgtn phone directory by name, address and phone number, and has been for quite a few years. Way to run up your billable hours, Cathy.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2007 • 4 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    A blogger and a National strategist blackmailing a Minister of the Crown and leader of a political party to force his retirement? Slater and Lusk would have been arrested and sentenced to jail terms in the time it took Hide to stop laughing.

    Oh piss off, Hide admits he had to check up with Key first to figure out what he should do. He let Brash in with Banks, Nat men become Nact men. If you can't see that , take your blue tinited shades off.


    Back in 2011 April...

    Hide had said only yesterday that he would not give up as leader. But today he said the reason for that, was he had to speak with the Prime Minister who was overseas.

    Checking with Johnny? Much?

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Keir Leslie,

    Does anyone seriously think Cathy Odgers knows people in HK who’d actually seriously pose any threat to a New Zealander’s safety?

    Isn't she known as Cactus Kate because she is surrounded by pricks?.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Keir Leslie, in reply to Tom Barker,

    Exactly! It's not like Hager's hard to find --- people with incriminating emails seem to do it all the time.

    Since Jul 2008 • 1452 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    Isn’t she known as Cactus Kate because she is surrounded by pricks?.

    roflnui, to quote a certain Sacha

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2813 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Richard Aston,

    50 cent gang

    Oh shit now my paranoia is up

    Not just China, but also Israel, America, Russia, Britain...

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5328 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Not just China, but also Israel, America, Russia, Britain...

    The Israeli one is interesting... the Jewish Internet Defense Force. Is it possible that our Cam has popped over there for some training?

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1328 posts Report Reply

  • stephen clover, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    ...shoot that’s probably not allowed...

    wgtn • Since Sep 2007 • 355 posts Report Reply

  • Grant McDougall,

    The guy who runs the Ruminator blog says that when he was a civil servant he was pressured to respond to Slater's OIO request ASAP

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2006 • 743 posts Report Reply

  • Richard Aston, in reply to william blake,

    Richard, yes my moral compass points to having a free and healthy fourth estate. if the PM is pre determining his response to a unknown written critique rather than a thoughtful and balanced response to the actual information, we do have a disconnect in this vital process.

    William you are a gentleman and a scholar .
    I may have been tempted to use much dirtier language to describe the circus of political manipulations before us but that would be to join them.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 509 posts Report Reply

  • Andre Alessi, in reply to Grant McDougall,

    The guy who runs the Ruminator blog says that when he was a civil servant he was pressured to respond to Slater’s OIO request ASAP

    I'm disturbed but not surprised by that. Government departments game the OIA process all the time, and it's clearly not something being driven by the overworked and underpaid public servants who put their names to the emails.

    Devonport, New Zealand • Since Nov 2006 • 864 posts Report Reply

  • HORansome, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    Remember how Watergate went down, it wasn’t the break in that brought Nixon down, it was the cover up …… watch very carefully when Key’s lips move, what comes out and who’s pulling the strings, it’s what he does over the next few weeks that will damn him or let him go free

    I've bene thinking that myself: I think people often forget that the initial reports by Woodward and Bernstein were pooh-poohed by the major newspapers and TV news networks at the time. It took time before the claim of conspiracy was vindicated and become commonly acknowledged as being the best explanation of the event.

    Tāmaki Makaurau • Since Sep 2008 • 440 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    There's a more subtle and insidious trick though than just hiring trolls and hackers. It was used by the CIA with Encounter magazine in the 50s - you just find a publication/blog/politician that broadly supports your approach and feed them money. They need not even know about it - it could be a semi-fake coffee roaster or internet business that suddenly wants to buy lots of advertising space.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5539 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Attachment

    It was used by the CIA

    this too...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7480 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    I’ve been having an exchange with Fonterra on their facebook page asking about Hager’s allegations about their possible involvement with Carrick Graham, and pro-formula posts on Whaleoil. They’ve finally responded saying their head of communications has gone on record… behind the paywall at NBR. Does anyone here have a subscription and want to give a precis of whether or not they were involved with Graham?

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 578 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to nzlemming,

    hey, the word is community property

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19413 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Andre Alessi,

    he has also heard from other public servants. This sort of pressure seems something relatively new.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19413 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    I'm delighted when agencies respond to OIA requests promptly but I'd rather it wasn't only the ones selected by their Minister for non-transparent reasons.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19413 posts Report Reply

  • Aidan, in reply to HORansome,

    I’ve bene thinking that myself: I think people often forget that the initial reports by Woodward and Bernstein were pooh-poohed by the major newspapers and TV news networks at the time. It took time before the claim of conspiracy was vindicated and become commonly acknowledged as being the best explanation of the event.

    This is Robert Redford’s take on Watergate.

    https://soundcloud.com/aidanh-1/robert-redford-on-watergate

    Same old same old – cynical “in” journos who are are just too smart for their own goddamn good.

    Woodward and Bernstein were the outliers, the ones prepared to really take it to the powerful. Rest too scared, too "savvy", as Jay Rosen might say.

    Canberra, Australia • Since Feb 2007 • 154 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Homer, in reply to Lucy Telfar Barnard,

    They deny it:

    However, Fonterra’s group director of communications Kerry Underhill says the dairy cooperative has never, directly or indirectly, requested or paid for posts on the Whale Oil blog and has never discussed the matter with Carrick Graham.

    ... He says Fonterra hasn't worked with that public relations agency since he has been with the company [since August 2013], and that to his knowledge Fonterra has never worked with the agency or ever requested or paid for posts on any blogs, either in New Zealand or overseas.

    ... “These things can take on a life of their own, and this is absolutely without any truth or foundation.”

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 80 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Keir Leslie,

    Yeah I think the Law Society needs to ask serious questions about her behaviour there.

    Note that Jordan Williams is also a lawyer. In New Zealand.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22227 posts Report Reply

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