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  • simon g,

    To inflict maximum damage on Peters, the leaker would need to have acted before he paid the money back. Everyone would have been shouting "pay it back", and saying "of course I will" would not have defused the 'scandal', whereas "I already did" effectively has.

    So this phantom nothing-to-do-with-National person inside MSD is a bit thick. Or, you know, not real. Because more people knew about it after he'd paid it back, and we know who they were.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1252 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to simon g,

    nothing-to-do-with-National person inside MSD is […] not real

    Certainly, the amount of spin Joyce delivered this morning can only mean he believes the (ultimate) source is a National minister.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1802 posts Report Reply

  • Neil, in reply to Sacha,

    Gee, who to believe? We know there does not actually need to be any truth in an accusation to shift some votes. It’s the vibe, your honour.

    True of any issue. I’m not relying on quoting other people, I’m just presenting my view.

    Since Nov 2016 • 209 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    The High Court has allowed a defamation action by three health professionals against Slater junior, Carrick Graham and Katherine Rich to proceed.

    The publication of Dirty Politics alerted the two professors and one senior public health advisor to the campaign being waged against them.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1342 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Alfie,

    The High Court has allowed a defamation action by three health professionals against Slater junior, Carrick Graham and Katherine Rich to proceed.

    Further reading.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4578 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    National's $604,802 song...
    plus legal fees - or is that 'pretty legal' fees?
    A steal at the price!
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/music/95132686/national-party-loses-court-decision-on-use-of-eminemesque-song

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7704 posts Report Reply

  • John Farrell,

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 456 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/99999324/bsa-says-mike-hosking-mislead-voters-with-comments-on-mori-party

    BSA says Mike Hosking misled voters with comments on Māori Party
    Mike Hosking misled Seven Sharp viewers when he told them they couldn't vote for the Māori Party if they weren't Māori, the Broadcasting Standards Authority has found.
    ...
    Hosking attempted to clarify his comment the following evening, saying, "the fact that anyone can vote for [the Māori Party] as a list party I automatically assumed we all knew given we have been doing this for 20 years… and it went without saying. So hopefully that clears all of that up."
    However the BSA said the clarification was "flippant" and too general to correct the inaccurate information for viewers.
    "The incorrect statements made by Mr Hosking were presented at a critical time, when voters required accurate information to enable them to make informed voting decisions. In this case, the flippant apology provided did not reflect a genuine appreciation for the important role of media during this time," the BSA said in its decision.

    ...and someone will head south until this whole thing cools off...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7704 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    It doesn't really seem like Dirty Politics, though, at least in the sense of what Nicky Hager described.

    More like highly irresponsible broadcasting involving a highly partisan idiot and a public broadcaster that's strongly profit-driven at the expense of public service. Sure we could argue that government Ministers are responsible for the context which enabled Hosking to thrive (and just happened to work out in their favour), but it's not the same type of thing as subversive leaks and direct coordination between top level Ministerial officers and sewer dwellers like Cameron Slater.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1131 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to izogi,

    It doesn’t really seem like Dirty Politics, though, at least in the sense of what Nicky Hager described.

    Yeah, I know – but it seemed an apposite thread to add it to, tonally.
    – that or the 'death of mainstream media’ one

    Hosking continues to accentuate his inability to parse information:
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/tv-radio/100041896/mike-hosking-hits-back-at-bsa-calls-them-humourless-time-wasters

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7704 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    oh God! – he just keeps digging/ blithering…
    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=11963408
    he even says this:

    So, given it is my story, I am in the most excellent position to tell it like it is. And why I mention this is not because what is written about me is important, because it isn’t. But my real concern is it’s important to be accurate.

    This much vaunted accuracy was not so much adhered to in his mis-statements about voting eligibility.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7704 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Today's news (and "comment") on Clarke Gayford is a text book example of how and why dirty politics works.

    For "balance", various media report not only on the squashing of the lie, but on the PM's response to it. Which (for "balance", of course!) must then be critiqued.

    Imagine that happening in the reporting of court cases. "So, how did the victim of the unprovoked assault respond after the guilty verdict for her assailant? Well, let's give her 5 out of 10 for her response, because we're balanced!"

    So the dirt works, because our media let it work.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1252 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    I love that it’s been tagged ‘dirty politics’ rather than just ‘fake news’, which would have marginalised this sort of crap – because, strangely, these days crying ‘fake news’ seems to attach to everything around it, especially factual news about the same subject

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2584 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    A regretful accident...
    https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/103764952/bridges-mea-culpa-for-titter-faux-pas-too-much-tweeting-maketh-a-twat
    So now we know that Simon Bridges 'follows' Whaleoil...

    Right wing blogger Cameron Slater - also known as Whaleoil - posted a malicious tweet on Tuesday evening, which Bridges has owned up to momentarily "liking", going so far as to call himself a "twat".
    "I"m not on Twitter very often and I think this shows why. Effectively, I was scrolling down and I saw a tweet that you're referring to, I noticed it, I accidentally liked it, I got rid of that within literally a second and kept on moving.

    He then goes on to show/trumpet his high moral standards:

    "But I'm regretful about it actually, because I've been really clear with my caucus colleagues that we don't want families brought into politics. We know the things in relation to the Prime Minister's partner are untrue and so albeit it was accidental, I am regretful.

    and then this exemplary behaviour:

    "I suppose it goes to show that too much tweeting maketh a twat," he said.
    Bridges said he would be happy to apologise to Gayford "if it was required".
    "As I say, I'm regretful. I make really clear to my colleagues my expectations around politics; around not peddling innuendo or rumours."

    "if it was required" - of course it is required you silly little man!!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7704 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Barry Soper attempts following the wounded Metiria Turei to make sure of the kill – still doing his masters bidding , but still doesn’t know how to spell ‘dire straits’.

    Metiria Turei brazenly declared before the Greens AGM last year that she’d been a benefit fraudster to draw attention to the dire straights that solo parents find themselves in. She was asked whether she was encouraging others to also lie to welfare authorities like she had but said it was up to them.

    he gets up my nose but still can't even spell 'nostrils' as this bewildering piece on smoking shows:

    Today thankfully all that's changed, ciggies are not only off limits within Parliament buildings, they're banned from the surrounding area, Helen Clark finally saw to that as she moved to drive them further and further from her sensitive nostrals.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7704 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Barry Soper attempts following the wounded Metiria Turei to make sure of the kill…

    Soper is hopelessly out of touch. His reporting, politics and judgement are mired in the 1990s.

    Everyone lives through an era. Soper’s was the neoliberal revolution. Now that era is waning and a new era is dawning, dominated by a new generation. New forces, values and world views are coming into play in ways old men like Soper struggle to understand. Quite often his pieces come across as an old man somewhat bewildered by a state of affairs he no longer recognizes.

    Getting old can be a bummer like that.

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2196 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    Silly old men give old men a bad name.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19518 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Sacha,

    Silly old men give old men a bad name.

    "Show Barry some fucking respect." (Scroll down to "I hate being scooped".)

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4578 posts Report Reply

  • Trevor Nicholls,

    Has anyone else observed a marked rightward tilt in the Newshub political coverage since Paddy Gower and Lloyd Burr have been replaced by Tova O'Brien and Jenna Lynch? Or is it just me?
    I stayed away from TVOne because their favouritism was so blatant but it's a bit galling to find that the competition have caught up.

    Wellington, NZ • Since Nov 2006 • 299 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    So ... police apologise to "screaming left wing conspiracy theorist" who should "get lost" (both quotes courtesy of John Key, when he was Prime Minister).

    One of those 'law and order' stories that National might not be highlighting.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1252 posts Report Reply

  • Angela Hart,

    Nicky won
    https://www.radionz.co.nz/news/national/359395/police-to-compensate-hager-over-dirty-politics-raid

    and it is important. Doesn't actually compensate for the damage done but we can have hope that the Police will obey the law in future.

    Christchurch • Since Apr 2014 • 614 posts Report Reply

  • Stephen R, in reply to Angela Hart,

    we can have hope that the Police will obey the law in future.

    Nice theory. I'm betting that none of the police involved are going to be paying the fines and costs from their own pockets, and if they'd succeeded in figuring out who Rawshark was, they'd be getting pats on the shoulder from their bosses.

    Socialised costs and privatised profits?

    Wellington • Since Jul 2009 • 258 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Law professor Andrew Geddis on the Police apology.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19518 posts Report Reply

  • Hilary Stace,

    This is a fascinating thread of great historical significance. Since August 2014 over 650,000 views and 2000 comments. I suspect it still has a way to go. I do hope it is being carefully archived.

    Wgtn • Since Jun 2008 • 3139 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    I do hope it is being carefully archived

    Expect so.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19518 posts Report Reply

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