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Hard News: Dirty Politics

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  • Geoff Lealand,

    I would like some spokesperson for the Police to explain why they pursued this line of inquiry.

    Screen & Media Studies, U… • Since Oct 2007 • 2521 posts Report Reply

  • st ephen, in reply to Hilary Stace,

    The ODT thought the police apology merited two paragraphs on an inside page.

    dunedin • Since Jul 2008 • 253 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Geoff Lealand,

    I would like some spokesperson for the Police to explain why they pursued this line of inquiry.

    ..and who exactly was in that chain of command (and then look closely at their other 'investigations').

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7743 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    who exactly was in that chain of command

    and what's their relationship with Cameroon Slater, his daddy, and family/party asscociates like Judith Collins?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19538 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Sacha,

    the food chain gang

    Cameroon Slater

    Judging by what happens to the Augosoma Beetle in Cameroon, I’d imagine being a soft-underbellied slater – aka Oniscidea (within the order Isopoda ) could be hazardous…
    Yum, yum!
    :- )

    Feeding Slaters are omnivores or scavengers and feed upon decaying vegetable matter and associated fungi and also on animal matter. They form an important link in the food chain by recycling dead and decaying matter.

    Habitat Slaters mostly inhabit moist areas and are commonly found under rocks and logs, in leaf litter in forested areas and in the garden (and other mulched medias). Several introduced species are common inhabitants of suburban areas commonly living in compost heaps and other moist situations.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7743 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Newsroom reports on "weaponising gossip": in effect, the media protecting the sources of rumours, not news stories.

    Psych 101: If there are no consequences for your behaviour, why stop? Dirty politics works, and will therefore continue.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1263 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Simon Lusk's name came up again today: he's been assisting Jami-Lee Ross.

    Funny how Hager's two related books ( Dirty Politics & Hollow Men) are vindicated time and again. Sad that so many "commentators" chose to dismiss his work, when it has proven such a reliable guide to the National party.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1263 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to simon g,

    Simon Lusk's name came up again today: he's been assisting Jami-Lee Ross.

    indeed

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19538 posts Report Reply

  • Rob S,

    Schadenfreude, a great big tub of it to scoop out and enjoy while the press hunts down some wounded politicians.
    Delicious.
    I wonder who Judith's been on the phone with these last few days.
    More cock-up than conspiracy which seems to be the way of these things.

    Since Apr 2010 • 125 posts Report Reply

  • Dennis Frank,

    Conspiracy requires a group. JLR has been collaborating with Lusk - didn't he say so the other day? But no suggestion of any other Nat player working with them yet. Bridges has been pushing the lone wolf scenario, as if to suggest that Lusk is irrelevant. Brave, stupid, or delusional?

    Caucus unanimity proves factions, if they exist, are currently covert. United in seeing JLR as expendable. So his confidence derives from something else.

    New Zealand • Since Jun 2016 • 225 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Rob S,

    Schadenfreude, a great big tub of it to scoop out and enjoy while the press hunts down some wounded politicians.

    Only at a surface level, for me. I'm more disgusted when I see this stuff than amused.

    There are people who get into politics for really good reasons, trying to make positive differences. We'd have so much better-a-place to live in if politics didn't keep attracting the influence of demented sociopaths who see it as their mission to take advantage of and manipulate everyone else.

    The National Party deserves to be deeply embarrassed, although whatever happens to its leader I doubt it'll make a difference to polling or voter turnout even medium term. I also hope JLR gets whatever help he needs before he implodes.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1136 posts Report Reply

  • Neil, in reply to izogi,

    Ross doesn’t need help as he’s not unwell. He needs to face the consequences of his actions.

    One aspect of this I found very disappointing was the use of mental illness as a device to manipulate and avoid responsibility. And it went largely unquestioned - for some that was politically convenient.

    It should have been very clear that the claim of mental illness in this case was a shame.

    But if it hadn’t been - if this was someone with a borderline personality disorder - then the last thing to do would be to give into their demands. That generally makes that illness worse.

    The whole episode did a diservive to mental health.

    Since Nov 2016 • 215 posts Report Reply

  • Rob S,

    I'm disgusted also.
    Just another sign of the old school Nat patricians being nudged aside.
    Listening to Finlayson's contempt for Ross on the national program this morning was a telling moment.
    This goes back to the smiling assassin and the parvenus he dragged in.
    Dirty politics in the context of the Nats hasn't gone away.
    Jason Ede, Whaleoil, Lusk, all those other bottom feeders are still out there and with this bandage ripped off we can see how they operate all bankrolled on a nod and a wink donations with a pat on the back in the honours list.
    They aren't masterminds but they're not totally inept either.
    100 K and the Nats start thinking about putting the donor and his lieutenant into their ranks.
    Bloody cheap don't you think?
    Collins is their player at this end of politics and we'll see where this goes.
    With Bridges walking wounded do they keep him in place and wait 'til the elections are nearer or do they seize the moment?
    I know the Nats aren't evil baby eaters but sometimes the whiff of sulphur from their ranks gives me pause.

    Since Apr 2010 • 125 posts Report Reply

  • Tom Semmens, in reply to Rob S,

    Dirty politics in the context of the Nats hasn’t gone away.
    Jason Ede, Whaleoil, Lusk, all those other bottom feeders are still out there and with this bandage ripped off we can see how they operate all bankrolled on a nod and a wink donations with a pat on the back in the honours list.

    What frightens me is how much the Nats are completely for sale to the highest bidder. If the money from China is good enough, they’d turn Quislings and sell us all down the river then retire to a mansion somewhere without the slightest qualm.

    Someone once said the National MPs primarily saw NZ as a place to make money, as opposed to primarily a place where they lived.

    Sevilla, Espana • Since Nov 2006 • 2198 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    What frightens me is how much the Nats are completely for sale to the highest bidder.

    Is it reasonable to say that the National Party's likely to be a more enviable target for this sort of crap right now, due to its voter base? My impression's been that Labour tends to be affected much more substantially by scandal and general disgust than National.

    Maybe that's because National's traditional voting base is made from people who'll always vote, and (if that's what it takes) will hold their nose and vote for what they see as the least worst option no matter how much they might despise it. A classic running-interference line through so much of late 2014 was "but they all do it!" [so it doesn't make a difference].

    Traditional Labour voters, as far as I can tell, seem more likely to find another party if they feel disillusioned by Labour, and they usually have more options, or otherwise just not bother to vote at all.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1136 posts Report Reply

  • Dennis Frank,

    A comprehensive political analysis of the Bridges/Ross taped conversation with implications re the Chinese communist infiltration strategy has just been posted here: https://thestandard.org.nz/no-smoking-gun-but-plenty-of-sunlight-from-bridges-tape/

    New Zealand • Since Jun 2016 • 225 posts Report Reply

  • Neil,

    Before forming an opinion on how National responded to Ross’ sexual harassment I’d like to hear from the four women involved what their views on that are.

    Since Nov 2016 • 215 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Neil,

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2194 posts Report Reply

  • Neil, in reply to mark taslov,

    Yes, I’ve seen those. I was more interested in what the woman had to say about how the Nats handled their situation. It’s hard to judge how it was delt with without knowing that.

    Now it seems it was common knowledge in parliament that Ross was a predator. Well if it was then why so much silence from everyone.

    Since Nov 2016 • 215 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    The whole thing is just nauseating now. Popcorn for the first 24 hours or so, but it's hard to find much fun in some of these toxic stories. Misogyny - yay! Racism - woo hoo! Total unanimity - sorry, total treachery. One turns into the other at a moment's notice.

    Unfortunately there's a TVNZ poll out this weekend. I say "unfortunately" because the last thing I want to hear is horse race commentary on issues of right and wrong: "National only down 1 point, so it's all good!". I doubt that Colmar-Brunton will be offering respondents the option of "I oppose government policies but I'd like them to be opposed by non-shitty people".

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1263 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    Let's not forget National's ongoing OIA request assault on the Labour Government - word on the street is that the National Party have fired off over 30,000 Official Information Act requests for information since losing power - effectively cheerfully pouring sand into the engine of government - not very helpful for the country really, but I suspect NZ and its people are not National's first priority.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7743 posts Report Reply

  • Neil,

    One of the woman involved has said she has no issue with how her complaint was handled by the National Party. No doubt Ross, given she may look to stand in Botany, will be tempted to challenge her integrity by alleging political motivations.

    Highly narcissistic, predatory males such as Ross are often very difficult to deal to. They have the ability to appear to be the nicest person in the world, they’re highly adept at playing people off against each other and their lack of conscience allows them to lie with the utmost sincerity.

    In his TV appearance he had a lot of people fooled.

    Since Nov 2016 • 215 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    They can detect all kinds of things from blood, sweat, tears and urine these days - perhaps mandatory testing on all MPs before each session - just as a health check and whether there's any substance abuse in their relationship with the truth...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7743 posts Report Reply

  • Dennis Frank,

    It's the old Jekyll & Hyde thing. Can't use either/or logic because both are part of him. Physicists use wavicle as a conceptual reframe of the particle/wave dichotomy, as a result of experiments showing both aspects of electrons are real and you can prove both (depending which experimental design you use).

    That was a century ago, almost, and a slow leakage of both/and logic into culture since informs us that holism works better than reductionism as a general rule. Studying computing in '69, I got taught how to use both/and logic in electronic circuit design. Binary thinking is such a mental trap. We must encourage folks to transcend it.

    New Zealand • Since Jun 2016 • 225 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Dennis Frank,

    Chinese communist infiltration strategy

    Good piece that – very interesting to see Andrew Little’s name crop up

    Chinese communist party also has close links to Labour politicians like Andrew Little and Phil Goff, who was the recipient of substantial donations for his Auckland mayoralty campaign.

    Which does kind of bring into focus the implication that in spite of the obvious racism of the “Chinese Sounding names” fiasco – the heightened specificity of the messaging could be construed as conforming to CCP policy, in tandem with the PRC Government’s insubstantive domestic attempts to crack down on the exodus of capital:

    For Chinese citizens, it is theoretically illegal for them to move money out of the country to buy property. However, judging from the crowds at the Luxury Property Showcase, an international property fair that tours Chinese cities, you would hardly know.

    Tangentially Tze Ming Mok wrote a wonderfully nuanced non-partisan article on ‘Chinese’ donations in today’s Herald

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2194 posts Report Reply

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