Hard News by Russell Brown

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Hard News: Incomplete, inaccurate and misleading

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  • Sacha,

    And the PM also gets an apology from the SIS for letting him down. Truly Planet Key. Let's see how the absurdity plays with the public.

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19667 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole,

    Question for Mr Edgeler perhaps: has Ede committed a crime by destroying evidence for this inquiry? Prosecution and jail time would be a fitting outcome.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • matthew,

    Is there really such a thing as permanently deleting an email. Surely there is at least some forensic IT capacity somewhere in our state apparatus that could recover deleted correspondence.

    auckland • Since Nov 2013 • 22 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to matthew,

    You mean set loose the state's forensic IT capabilities on GMail or Yahoo? hah!

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Ron Davis,

    The right wing commentator (Matthew Hooton I think) on National Radio this morning with Kathryn Ryan admitted that if Key had actually lied, then "the PM's pretty much finished". He also went on to say that "lying" is a word he couldn't use and all he could say is that Key's claims on the subject did not appear to coincide with the facts pertaining to it at the time.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2014 • 25 posts Report Reply

  • Ron Davis, in reply to matthew,

    Is there really such a thing as permanently deleting an email

    Exactly my thoughts at the time.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2014 • 25 posts Report Reply

  • James Littlewood*,

    mmm bring on 48 hours of unlicensed surveillance.

    I like Goff on 9 - noon: why has Key not been required to give evidence under oath?

    Auckland • Since Mar 2008 • 410 posts Report Reply

  • dcnbwz,

    The emails should be accessible through 5 eyes?

    uk • Since Sep 2009 • 24 posts Report Reply

  • Kevin McCready,

    And Key had the audacity, in the statement read a few minutes ago on Radio NZ National, to say the report proved a negative. Amazing how the universe follows different laws on PlanetKey.

    Auckland • Since Jun 2013 • 119 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    Answers to questions around 'what did Key know, and when?' are largely in Ede's hands. It's been evident since he 'disappeared' (the day Dirty Politics' came out) he could likely sink Key. Despite having a slew of his online conversations, his character remains largely unexamined, there's only one photo, and his motives and loyalties are obscure. Lotta pressure on this dude ...

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2088 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    “the PM’s pretty much finished”

    Attributable to Bernard Levin, I think: in politics, almost means 'not'.

    As in - "his position is almost untenable". Meaning, quite tenable, thank you.

    I thin it's long past time we got to grips with reality here. This is a unicameral, centralized system. The PM is not going to be grilled by a Grand Jury or a Senate Committee. He's certainly not going to be grilled by the Fourth Estate (he was once, by Guyon Espiner on the radio, and it was so extraordinary that we all swooned).

    Finshed? By whom? How?

    Of course he won't be, and no amount of wishful thinking makes it so.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1315 posts Report Reply

  • st ephen,

    I expect the media has already lost interest because there was no evidence "that SIS officers had acted in collusion with Slater or under direction from the prime minister or the Prime Minister's Office". I'll be astonished if they don't also lap up Key's whitewash inquiry of Judith Collins - the one with terms of reference limited to the email leaked by Key himself. What a surprise that the findings are suddenly available for release today.

    dunedin • Since Jul 2008 • 254 posts Report Reply

  • Dismal Soyanz, in reply to matthew,

    But if it was web-based email then that would depend on where the server was. I also doubt, given the very large volume of mail that does get deleted, the relevant emails would still be recoverable.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2010 • 310 posts Report Reply

  • Shaun Lott,

    Can someone tell me why this is not our Watergate moment?

    Waitakere • Since Aug 2009 • 108 posts Report Reply

  • Dean Wallis,

    Point Chevalier • Since Jan 2013 • 44 posts Report Reply

  • Ron Davis, in reply to Kevin McCready,

    the report proved a negative. Amazing how the universe follows different laws on PlanetKey.

    He was not speaking as a rational human being at the time, but as a rich man with similar intellectual abilities to that other rich bottom feeder, Donald Trump.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2014 • 25 posts Report Reply

  • simon g, in reply to Shaun Lott,

    Can someone tell me why this is not our Watergate moment?

    Because Nixon was finished off by newspapers, by his own party, by independent prosecutors, by the constitution, the list goes on - the list of things we ain't got.

    We don't have Woodward and Bernstein, we have Hosking and Henry.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1315 posts Report Reply

  • Idiot Savant, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    Yes. He's violated the Public Records Act.

    Palmerston North • Since Nov 2006 • 1711 posts Report Reply

  • Ron Davis, in reply to Shaun Lott,

    Can someone tell me why this is not our Watergate moment?

    OK. Do you know that aria from Handel's Messiah"?: "All we like sheep..." Ponder on it a second.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2014 • 25 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to dcnbwz,

    The emails should be accessible through 5 eyes?

    Fuck's sake, people. 5 Eyes is not a global panopticon that automatgically sees and stores every email of every person on the planet forever and always. We're talking about something that happened over three years ago!

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Ron Davis, in reply to simon g,

    Finshed? By whom? How?

    Key finished? If not by any instrument of state, then maybe in the much scaled eyes of at least 20,000 voters in 2017. That should help.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2014 • 25 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Idiot Savant,

    He’s violated the Public Records Act.

    And faces a terrifying maximum fine of... $5,000.
    I want jail time, not a paltry fine that he'll probably not even notice; if he were fined the maximum possible which, we all know, is incredibly unlikely.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Ron Davis,

    Key finished? If not by any instrument of state, then maybe in the much scaled eyes of at least 20,000 voters in 2017.

    I'm sure he's quaking in his pricey Prime Ministerial shoes at such a prospect. Teflon John looks likely to be living to lie another day.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Ron Davis, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    Teflon John looks likely to be living to lie another day.

    Intimate congress the man.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2014 • 25 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

    Aaaand ... here's the Collins SFO report.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22724 posts Report Reply

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