Hard News: Irony Deficient
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mark taslov, in reply to
begins plausibly and strings you along until that wonderful moment where it becomes too absurd to be borne.
Sounds like civilization.
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New Zealand is too small for satire. You'll upset too many people.That sounds defeatist, but it's too small a village.
Mohammad didn't want himself drawn. I kind of respect that.
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I'm not a great fan of satire - I used to enjoy Not the Nine O Clock News but I can't think of any other satire recently that's floated my boat, to be honest.
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nzlemming, in reply to
Python?
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I'd be pleasantly surprised if any genuinely good local satire turned up on the telly. Public broadcasting seems all but dead in this country, with the exception of Radio NZ, and most decisions seem to be ratings-driven. The most we can hope for are shows like 7 Days, which while occasionally funny don't really count as hard-hitting satire.
If I wanted to make a satirical show show I'd be borrowing a mate's camera and doing it myself, then posting it on YouTube. It may not get the audience of something on TV1, but if it's good enough and funny enough people will find it.
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Anyway I’d rather have a robust press than satire. New century and all.
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Phil Lyth, in reply to
It may not get the audience of something on TV1, but if it’s good enough and funny enough people will find it.
I'd be inclined to say if it is good enough, people will tell people about it. Viral, innit.
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Phil Lyth, in reply to
The issue at the top of people’s minds tends to be copyright over source material
Well yes, and Gareth Hughes' Member's Bill would address that. (I leave it to the reader to decide if the problem is solved.)
I'd be interested to hear from satirists (yes, looking at Lyndon, Jackson, Joshua and Steve) whether other changes to legislation should be proposed, around slander and libel. Feel free to take offline by emailing me (the little envelope icon at top right of this comment.)
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Jackie Clark, in reply to
Ah, but that was before NTNON! I enjoyed McPhail and Gadsby. Until I didn't. I do love NZ comedy, a lot. I think we have some of the funniest stand ups around.
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Rich of Observationz, in reply to
we have some of the funniest stand ups around
The good thing about stand up is that it's intrinsically ephemeral and contained. You can be thoroughly offensive (Fritzl jokes, Jimmy Savile jokes, etc) and it will largely stay in the room. It doesn't get circulated around the internet for a vortex of condemnation to build.
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Angus Robertson, in reply to
You can be thoroughly offensive (Fritzl jokes, Jimmy Savile jokes, etc) and it will largely stay in the room.
Or if you'd prefer a wider audience for your one liners.
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Joe Wylie, in reply to
Fritzl jokes
Austrian Fritzl joke by the interesting Manfred Deix. Getting a bit old now, but naturally the Austriches were onto it first.
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Ian Dalziel, in reply to
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Unless you are Alan Jones of course…
Or Michael Richards.
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Russell Brown, in reply to
And, for my blood, it took real balls to run this at the high tide of lunatic Diana idolatry:
The Late Princess Diana
An ApologyI remember when they published that. It was effing brilliant.
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andin, in reply to
Mohammad didn’t want himself drawn. I kind of respect that.
You make it sound as if he was a media shy prophet of 1500yrs ago.
Ever heard of idolatry and how it arose in the Middle east?
About the same time
Did no favours to the Bamiyan Buddha statues. -
Rich of Observationz, in reply to
It was a social control thing. Earlier forms of pantheistic belief had a wide range of gods and idols a person could worship. This hindered social control, as if someone objected to the assertions of their priests that an activity was wrong and evil, they could go to another more accepting temple.
Insisting that everyone follow a single rigidly prescribed religion makes it easier to keep them in check. This was particularly attractive first to the Roman emperors whose empire was falling apart, and later to Arab leaders wanting to unite their people against surrounding groups.
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andin, in reply to
and later to Arab leaders wanting to unite their people against surrounding groups.
More specifically Mo
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WH,
There's a tension between our generous myths of equality and the fact that we spend our lives competing with each other for wealth and status.
At their best, satire and parody are levelling forces, reminders of essential truths behind economic and social hierarchies. They can be directed towards politics, at power imbalances in the workplace, or pretensions of highmindedness.
But they can also be used to put someone in their place, to re-assert that some of us are more important than others. There's an extent to which we satirise ourselves, willingly blind to the incongruencies of our own lives and all too willing to highlight the shortcomings of others. It's a pattern you see played out from schoolyard bullying to awkward chats around the water cooler. The truth is that we don't have an equal society because most of us don't actually want one.
Least endearing of all is the appropriation of personal and cultural virtue by naked social ambition. So much of what was once considered high culture has been tarnished by its association with the grasping and upwardly mobile; the art collections amassed by speculators, David Koch's patronage of the theatre and the opera. The sense that these things are not mere pasttimes but a way of communicating status, serving the same function as a 10 year old's sneer about the poor kid's hand me down jeans.
Okay. No more time for editing - going to watch the rugby at the Walkie with the Saffas.
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Geoff Lealand, in reply to
Well, Mr Drummond, you made a significant step towards reinstating satire in the NZ public consciousness with your "Six Bad Art Plays"' which we attended last evening, in company with a full audience of rowdy Hamilton citizens. Bravo!
I did, however, fear for the kiwi on a skateboard, -
I'm just going to post a link to this, with no further comment beyond #LOLSOB
Copyright changes proposed by a member of the Green Party could destroy jobs and is "piss-taking" business, says Labour's Shane Jones.
It is the latest swipe Jones has taken at the Greens after MP Gareth Hughes voiced support for a Greenpeace spoof of a Sealord television advertisement.
The mock advert - released online - was dubbed over a Sealord television commercial and criticised what Greenpeace believed were harmful fishing practices.
Jones, a former Sealord chairman, called it a step too far, and likened it to economic vandalism at a time when jobs were scarce.
Not content to let the issue die, Jones has now taken aim at changes to copyright law tabled by Hughes, calling them a vehicle for the "Green agenda" to continue "piss-taking" business.
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Was going to reply then wondered if Danyl had already said it better, and yes he has:
It’s nice to see that Shane Jones still takes a casual interest in New Zealand politics. Bit of a shame the only thing that motivates him is his passionate hatred of Labour’s largest viable coalition partner, and not, say, National Party policy. But after four years of total silence on all of his portfolio areas, his vehement opposition to a satirical ad parodying a company he used to chair, and that paid him $10,000 during the last election campaign is a deft way to remind us all what Jones stands for.
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