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  • Rich Lock, in reply to Pete George,

    I’ve addressed that particular issue extensively over time Russell, often being attacked for it. In fact I was banned from Whale Oil for going and confronting their attitude to rape and Tania Billingsley. This is what I posted there:http://yournz.org/2014/07/12/why-theres-anger-murray/How often have you gone and stood up to them Russell?

    So they way to deal with these people is to go to their website and post comments until you're banned? Righto.

    back in the mother countr… • Since Feb 2007 • 2723 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Pete George,

    I guess it depends on what you value in your discussions. But that’s a pretty sad (albeit not unusual) sort of comment for a political forum.

    I'm sure it's one you're used to seeing.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2891 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to nzlemming,

    I think we are. It's not often I recommend dumping someone from PAS but does Pete George really add any value to the discussions?

    I could always dust off my visual Swiftian salute. ;D

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5376 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    I could always dust off my visual Swiftian salute. ;D

    If you want to provoke the longest exit since Rasputin. ;D

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4569 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to SteveH,

    We will check the links you post so if they don't actually support your argument don't bother.

    'hey it worked on other blogs'

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19481 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to nzlemming,

    does Pete George really add any value

    beige blanket

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19481 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Savidge,

    Re. Mr George:

    Not everyone's cup of tea and offensive to some, but this reads like bullying to me. I see him as somehow earnest and wanting to engage others to consider his views. It's almost brave on some level, knowing it's a tough crowd.

    It's a fine line on who's being dirty sometimes.

    Somewhere near Wellington… • Since Nov 2006 • 324 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Michael Savidge,

    I see him as somehow earnest and wanting to engage others to consider his views.

    With a similar level of generosity the same could be said of Penny Bright, who probably would be all over this place given the opportunity.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4569 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Savidge,

    Yeah I know…but still. Either kick him off or let him go relatively unscathed. There'll be no middle ground.

    Somewhere near Wellington… • Since Nov 2006 • 324 posts Report Reply

  • Rob Stowell,

    I'm hoping everything Key says forever, some cheeky journalist is going to earnestly ask: "When you say you're off to Palmy in the morning- is that you you or the PM's office off to Palmy? Just to be sure I've got this straight."

    Whakaraupo • Since Nov 2006 • 2071 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Michael Savidge,

    It’s a fine line on who’s being dirty sometimes.

    And then the gang mentality kicks in with a viciousness that makes this place as scary as Kiwiblog on a bad day.
    For Pete's sake, a little humanity goes a long way.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Michael Savidge, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    And then the gang mentality kicks in with a viciousness that makes this place as scary as Kiwiblog on a bad day.

    Well I don't think it's ever going to be that bad here. People step in...

    Somewhere near Wellington… • Since Nov 2006 • 324 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Steve Barnes,

    For Pete’s sake, a little humanity goes a long way.

    Nice pun, but it goes both ways.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2891 posts Report Reply

  • Craig Ranapia, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Sorry if I’ve missed it Pete, but have you at any point devoted any of your unending outrage towards the actual hideous content of that rape conversation? Or expressed sympathy for the young women being targeted by these creeps?

    {ETA: Sorry, Russell. I'm replying to your comment, but none of this is specifically directed at you.}

    Wonder if anyone would like to consider whether there's quite a few Young Nat women (many of whom I consider friends and colleagues) who might have got the point several days ago that Messers Lusk and Slater consider them "retards" and "filthy" and don't really need to keep being told that by anyone.

    I've been having private conversations with women -- and not past or present Young Nats, but all of whom I consider friends and in many cases close colleagues -- who are really finding the way these e-mails are being talked about seriously unsafe.

    Here's something I said on the Tanya Billingsley thread, which I seriously think is relevant here :--

    And I don’t think I was the only person more than a little… disquieted by how sharply the victim of a crime got elbowed out of the way so media commentators could get to the “real issue” – how it affected the political interests of an awful lot of men both in New Leeland [sic] and Malaysia. IMO & YMMV, of course, but that seemed to me another symptom of how rape culture works – if you push rape victims to the margins of their own story, as it were, you don’t have to bother yourself with them. Right?

    Guys (and it's mostly us chaps) please think twice how you're talking about that e-mail exchange, which could most genrously be described as casually & grotesquely misogynistic, and why. A lot of the commentary around this, and PAS is far from the worse, sure hits my ear as being less about sympathy or concerns for the safety of women in the Young Nats (or anywhere else) than scoring political points. This isn't just about Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk, or David Farrar and Nicky Hagar. There are human beings here who deserve better.

    This really isn't the last comment I wanted to post here for a while; I'm going to be on holiday and mostly offline for the next three weeks and won't be replying to responses anyway. But damn, people -- we're better than this.

    North Shore, Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 12366 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Thank you, Craig.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    This isn’t just about Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk, or David Farrar and Nicky Hagar. There are human beings here who deserve better.

    Point. And taken. Have a good holiday, Craig.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2891 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Journalist,David Fisher has given the Harold some good works this morning. He has Gerry Brownlees staff
    He has more Collins staff/Slater preferences and
    an overview
    I’ll just add,I’m glad I support Pak’n’Save up North.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    Guys (and it’s mostly us chaps) please think twice how you’re talking about that e-mail exchange, which could most genrously be described as casually & grotesquely misogynistic, and why. A lot of the commentary around this, and PAS is far from the worse, sure hits my ear as being less about sympathy or concerns for the safety of women in the Young Nats (or anywhere else) than scoring political points. This isn’t just about Cameron Slater and Simon Lusk, or David Farrar and Nicky Hagar. There are human beings here who deserve better.

    Agreed. PG has introduced the topic into two separate threads now, to no useful end.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22403 posts Report Reply

  • Pete George, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Russell, I think it was you who introduced that particular topic:
    http://publicaddress.net/system/cafe/hard-news-never-mind-the-quality/?p=320974#post320974

    I was asked to link to proof that Hager got some things wrong in his book but didn't mention "the topic" in that.

    Do you believe David Farrar's claim that Hager got that part of his book wrong (the topic being discussed at the time)?

    Dunedin • Since Dec 2011 • 139 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown, in reply to Pete George,

    Good grief. I'm not sure whether you're being disingenuous or just tone-deaf, but I can't be bothered with it any more. Goodbye.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22403 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood,

    So as I read and understand it, the Herald have commentor logs from Whaleoil's site and can link "anonymous" (pseudonymous) posts, the email address the account was registered from, and the IP address of the machine that it was posed from. Browlee's press secretary just seems to have been identified by email address, but if the Herald have some good data analysis people they could do a lot more. This aspect may just be getting started.

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1443 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Goodbye

    applause

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19481 posts Report Reply

  • giovanni tiso, in reply to David Hood,

    Brownlee's press secretary just seems to have been identified by email address, but if the Herald have some good data analysis people they could do a lot more. This aspect may just be getting started.

    The other best investigative journalist in the country is working on this. I suspect National's strategy people are changing their underwear on an hourly basis.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    A suggestion another website I read has a 'plonk' button on every posting press it and their posting header shows up but no content unless you click unplonk

    Just like the usenet of old

    Maybe put that on the nice to have list

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2575 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    One thing I wondered after reading that article was: are there now two hackers with complementary material?

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2575 posts Report Reply

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