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  • giovanni tiso, in reply to Keir Leslie,

    Honestly Pete could you just get out your own head for half a minute and think about what you're saying?

    You're talking to the guy who claimed that my urging Radio Live sponsors to donate to Rape Prevention Education was a form of sexual assault.

    Wellington • Since Jun 2007 • 7473 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Rosemary McDonald,

    Idiots and wind, every time. No need to read anything significant into it, other than hoons will be hoons

    .Ah!!!! Finally!!!The voice of reason.Vote Deborah.

    Absolutely. Plus probably a bit to do with the big loudest fight in town being about Dotcom wanting to bring down Key and graffiti (possibly seen as not 'that bad" as it's just a bit of cardboard so German against Jew alterations being the fastest point to show dislike, as Steven Crawford suggested) being an expression for disaffected.Images get a quick response. Some are getting noticed more quickly than others. Point made.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    So I'm off to Burning Man next week, will all this go postal and I'll be arrested for a hate crime at the border when I return for burning "The Man"? Will DoC go after the Kiwiburn folks for burning kiwis?

    Done carefully setting fire to (your own) stuff is just a bit of fun, and practical on a cold winter's night. Demonising people who do so will have to put a final stake in that Kiwi cultural practice of burning a Catholic in effigy every November to celebrate his capture by the authorities. Burning JK in effigy is no different than a Guy Fawke's night bonfire - something that happens in just about evert small town in NZ every year.

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2606 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Not to mention the middle finger salute, which in Roman times was known as ‘digitus impudicus’.

    Ah, the simple beauty of digital communication.
    I did notice, in the background of Debora's billboard picture, a plain plywood hoarding. Forget all the dick and tit graffiti, that one said "I have Wood" subtle.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • william blake,

    my electorate vote is going to Mike Pero.

    Since Mar 2010 • 378 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Pete George,

    A singular and a plural don’t go together.

    Your premise (that they is inevitably plural) is false: “singular they ” has long been a part of normal English speech, and is more commonly used today – even in edited writing – than any alternative way of referring to an individual of unknown gender.

    References:
    Bodine, Ann (1975). Androcentrism in prescriptive grammar: singular ‘they’, sex-indefinite ‘he’ and ‘he or she’. Language in Society 4: 129-146.
    Gerner, Jürgen (2000). Singular and plural anaphors of indefinite personal pronouns in spoken British English. In Kirk, J. (ed.) Corpora Galore: Analyses and Techniques in Describing English. Amsterdam: Rodopi. 93-114.
    Holmes, Janet (1998). Generic pronouns in the Wellington Corpus of Spoken New Zealand English. Kotare 1: 31-39.
    Laitinen, Mikko (2002). He and they in indefinite anaphora in written present-day English. International Journal of Corpus Linguistics 7 (2): 137–164.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1889 posts Report Reply

  • linger, in reply to Pete George,

    a dick on a John Key billboard

    is just a tautology, surely?

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1889 posts Report Reply

  • Alan Perrott, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    actually I was rather aggrieved by the suggestion that a burner may have been associated with that effigy video - kiwiburn et al are about radical inclusion, if Key turned up at the gate with a ticket he should be welcomed on and invited to play his part in the going's on going on. There was an incident a few years back when one group burned an effigy of Brittany Spears during the burn - it riled a few people, including me. The sentiment was understood, but in terms of the true vibe of thing they got it very wrong.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 438 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Tim Hannah,

    Judging from my limited knowledge of classical Roman graffiti, this secret society of dick and tit favouring vandals is older than the Catholic Church.

    roflnui

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19686 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Craig Ranapia,

    I was also severely underwhelmed by Gibson on Morning Report doing the usual “I’m sorry people were offended” passive-aggressive voice b.s. rather than just saying “I’m sorry I was offensive. Full stop.

    Is that what he said? I'd thought I heard a more direct and responsible apology somewhere along the line, but if he actually spent most of his time blaming others then I'll withdraw my earlier-stated credit to him for at least apologising.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    I think the Greens I know are probably too intelligent to draw a dick on Key’s face

    Thats not a dick. It's a long nose.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    Alan: for me it's much more of a meh, I don't personally see being silly and burning a public figure in effigy, using your own wood, on your own land, as a big deal. How is it different than a political caricature done in fire? it's not like we have a recent history of people being burned alive, the last person I can think of that comes close was Neil Roberts and that was self inflicted, or that anyone is actually threatening to set Key on fire - but as I pointed out it is part of our culture, we actually do annually burn a political figure in effigy up and down the country. I just think it's political performance art and not a big deal.

    Putting a few shots through someone's electoral office - now that's a big deal

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2606 posts Report Reply

  • HORansome, in reply to Sacha,

    November. After the election, more's the pity.

    Tāmaki Makaurau • Since Sep 2008 • 441 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    Not just the Middle East, but anywhere on the globe wherever you find conspiracy theorists who repackage themselves as scholars.

    I see what context you are talking in now.

    Because there people in the Middle East, who are fearful of religious people right now. And they are not being overly anxious ether.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4316 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Matt Crawford,

    You’re paranoid, delusional and I’m more than a little embarrassed for Peter Dunne that his party’s biggest supporter is such a weird crackpot.

    Is Pete George UF now? I thought he was ACT. Huh #needscorecard

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2930 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    National doesn't have Billboards ...
    it has 'Key Boards'
    hence all the digital enhancements....

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to nzlemming,

    You’re paranoid, delusional and I’m more than a little embarrassed for Peter Dunne that his party’s biggest supporter is such a weird crackpot.

    Is Pete George UF now? I thought he was ACT. Huh #needscorecard

    Does it matter any more? Is there a name for the cognitive impairment that prevents its sufferers from realising they'd be better off waving their metaphorical wooden legs instead of attempting to run with them?

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4591 posts Report Reply

  • andin, in reply to Pete George,

    Kim Dotcom promotes himself as founder and visionary of the Internet Party and holds a special position of ‘Visionary’ in their party organisation as per their published party rules.

    Been at work, I have a job. But man oh man! you must have scoured their literature to find that, ' cause I can't. Thats it I'm out, up at 5am tomorrow.

    raglan • Since Mar 2007 • 1881 posts Report Reply

  • Tinakori, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    The few shots relate, I understand, to the Harawiras' admirable campaign against P in the region.

    Wellington • Since Jul 2013 • 118 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to Tinakori,

    Possibly. Although if this guy's typical of local rightwingers, it might be a more general political opposition.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    Does it matter any more?

    Nope. Soundbites will beat you everytime.Anyone can be everyone.Perception beats all.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • "chris", in reply to linger,

    Your premise (that they is inevitably plural) is false: “singular they ” has long been a part of normal English speech

    My reading was that Pete’s focus was rather on the plurality of the reflexive pronoun in Ian’s:

    a rogue member took it upon themselves

    Obviously I could be mistaken, but I took it as a reference to this descriptive trend:

    In recent years, people have started to use themself to correspond to this singular use of they and them: it’s seen as the logical singular form of themselves. For example:

    This is the first step in helping someone to help themself.

    Ian was not wrong. Pete was not right…yet, but give it a while and the world might just catch up.

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/words/themselves-or-themself

    location, location, locat… • Since Dec 2010 • 250 posts Report Reply

  • Ben Austin,

    Isn't sabotage / taking of electoral signs a regular occurrence? I certainly recall people at high school taking great delight in such and sharing their exploits. This was before cell phone cameras, luckily for them I guess.

    All I can remember from this was that Winston Peters used wooden signs at the time.

    London • Since Nov 2006 • 1019 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard, in reply to Ben Austin,

    Of course, that's the other way of looking at it - it's not that it's happening more because of social media; it's just that social media means we're aware of more instances of it than just the ones we pass.

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 580 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Pete George,

    A singular and a plural don’t go together.

    Phew!
    Sun still rose this morning….
    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7889 posts Report Reply

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