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Hard News: Not yet standing upright

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  • Russell Brown, in reply to Matthew Poole,

    I first saw that picture of plastic plates on Facebook yesterday morning, four hours before this post was published.

    Yes, it was all over Twitter too. I couldn't work out who took the original photo.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22743 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Yes, it was all over Twitter too. I couldn’t work out who took the original photo.

    More to the point – I’ll bet they are an imported product (packaged and manufactured overseas) – so one of our potential flags was either designed by a factory shop person in some far away place – or Kyle has a copyright claim to lodge somewhere :-).

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • TracyMac,

    Heh, I'm glad I wasn't the only one to rant on FB about the constitutional implications of changing the flag (none). With extra bonus link to the Flags Act and observation that I doubted the Ministry of Culture would be put in charge of anything constitutionally significant. I actually got some "thank yous" from that.

    Canberra, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 701 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody,

    How lovely - pupils at Ngaio School obviously got shown the video on flag design when the flag panelist visited their school. And the pupil's top selection from their project follows the template instruction better than any of the panel's official choices!!

    See it here;

    http://www.stuff.co.nz/dominion-post/news/wellington/71636970/ngaio-school-children-prefer-to-fly-their-own-flag

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    So we have a conundrum.

    Not vote for any of the four options.

    Vote for Hypnoflag as a protest vote,

    Or, vote for the least crappy flag, including Hypnoflag.

    For me, it’s a bit like the general election. I could choose between two that are much the same thing, theres a hypno and a black & white fern.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

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    Today's Tremain

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2605 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to steven crawford,

    Vote for Hypnoflag as a protest vote

    As Katherine pointed out earlier, the STV system effectively negates this option. Assuming fern-fans vote fronds 1,2, 3 then hypnoflag doesn't stand a chance. And your hynoflag vote would then be counted as just another kiwi engaging with Key's chosen process.

    Winnie's KOF suggestion seems like the best option so far.

    In the meantime, here's another petition supporting our current flag -- 42,500 signatures and counting.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1376 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Alfie,

    Voting for Hypnoflag won't defeat the others, but it will register as a protest vote. It's like voting for the Magilacutty serious party.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie,

    I disagree Steven. It would be saying "I vote for Key's 4th choice" which is hardly a protest, especially as the odds are pre-loaded against hypnoflag.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1376 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford, in reply to Alfie,

    That's a mater of interpretation. It all depends how far the piss gets taken out of Hypnoflag.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4163 posts Report Reply

  • Russell Brown,

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    Toby Manhire swings in behind Red Peak in his Herald column today.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 22743 posts Report Reply

  • mpledger,

    Ian Dalziel, in reply to steven crawford, A day ago
    Surely NZ deserves a flag that anyone could knit at home!

    ~~
    I suggested before the design process started that we should go for a Lenticular flag - one that changes as it flies (as you see it from a different angle).
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenticular_printing

    You can do that with knitting e.g.
    http://delightedhands.blogspot.co.nz/2014/01/moms-shadow.html

    And it has amazing possibilities when combined with the hypno flag
    http://giphy.com/gifs/animated-psychedelic-hypnotic-Z8fmnqFAHAdeo

    ~~~~
    Yea, the hypnoflag is basically screwed unless it gets over 50% of first preference votes.

    We should be able to put all our preference on one flag and it count the same as people who split their votes across the fern flags.

    Since Oct 2012 • 97 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to mpledger,

    We should be able to put all our preference on one flag and it count the same as people who split their votes across the fern flags.

    We can. You vote 1 on Hypnoflag and then nothing else. That way no other choices get your vote.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Steve Barnes, in reply to daleaway,

    I believe the ghost of what's left of the Government Printer (which subsequently became GP Print, part of Blue Star) was sold to Australians in 2012.

    I couldn't find that yesterday but yes I remember now, cheers.

    Peria • Since Dec 2006 • 5521 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    while yes, no one else gets your vote, they would only get your vote once your choice had been eliminated as the lowest polling flag.

    These are single transferable votes, your vote only is contribiuted to one flag at a time, not fractions spread across multiple flags

    (STV, where you're electing multiple candidates, say 2 flags, does end up with fractional votes being spread around after one of the candidates you've chosen has been elected - but not in this case)

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2605 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to mpledger,

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    one that changes as it flies

    that could fly…

    maybe not a knitted ‘Steriogram’ flag

    (I hadn’t realised this was a Michael Gondry video)


    but a visually knotted ‘stereogram’ flag could be the go (above ^ ) …
    if ya can’t make it ‘pop’ – ya can’t be a citizen!

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7880 posts Report Reply

  • Mike O'Connell, in reply to Russell Brown,

    What an 'annoying' article! Not an immediate personal choice but Toby's got a strong point (citing Rowan Simpson) with Red Peak:

    it looks like a flag, not a logo, and illustrates the point by placing it, and the officially shortlisted options, alongside some other great flags. It is simple enough to be drawn by a child - one of the criteria emphasised by the panel - yet there is genuine substance; the historic, cultural, mythological and even topographic references are there if you want them.

    I am reminded of the flag of Antigua and Barbuda
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_Antigua_and_Barbuda#/media/File:Flag_of_Antigua_and_Barbuda.svg

    Adopted in 1967, it's full of symbolism (e.g. the Caribbean, African origins of people) which match the colouring - the sun, sea, and sand and the (triangle) V-shape for victory. it was the winning design of around 600 entries.

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 379 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz,

    Brazil seems to do ok even though their flag breaks all the rules - tiny writing, etc.

    I don't really have a problem with any design of flag, it's the process and goal, which seems to be all around the idea that NZ needs better "corporate branding" so people will holiday here and buy our exports. I don't think people really care that much - otherwise Aussie companies would take the "proudly Australian made" logos off the product they ship to NZ

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • TracyMac,

    Red Peak was my fave out of the 40. Distinctive, strong, proper use of colour, and easy enough to draw! And as Toby says, it looks like a flag … rather than a logo. That said, it’d lend itself as a design element of things like sporting uniforms really well.

    Canberra, West Island • Since Nov 2006 • 701 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

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    I’m thinking this Tintin tinged one
    could be more apt for Key & Co’s NZ:
    The Blue Lotus
    Nothing sticks to this…

    (with apologies to the Jianwei Nationalist State )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7880 posts Report Reply

  • David Hood, in reply to Rich of Observationz,

    Brazil seems to do ok even though their flag breaks all the rules

    and the number of stars on it change

    https://flagspot.net/flags/br_astro.html

    Dunedin • Since May 2007 • 1443 posts Report Reply

  • Rich of Observationz, in reply to David Hood,

    Which is kind of cool, especially as they're actual stars in a proportionate position and magnitude.

    The US added a star for each new state, the EU/Council of Europe does not - it's always been 12.

    I like these Canadian suggestions, especially the Beatles one.

    Back in Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 5550 posts Report Reply

  • Evan Yates, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Ok. I give up. What is the creature hidden in the stereogram? I can see it has two legs but the rest is unclear. It looks a bit like a Kiwi with beak down to the left, looking for insects, but with a stoat sticking out of its butt (going up to the right).

    ...or is it a mutant kangaroo? ...or a T-Rex?

    Hamiltron, Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Nov 2006 • 197 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Evan Yates,

    ocular, jocular, albinocular…

    …a mutant kangaroo?
    …or a T-Rex?

    dunno!
    can’t get it to stir a jot, meself.

    file name is dino.jpeg
    so I’m going for your latter fancy,
    as it were…

    where do you look to coalesce limbs?
    focus & focal length?
    does the background disappear?

    I feel so excluded already…

    sob...

    My eyes are physically ever so slightly off ‘factory parallax’
    - literally a past ‘head-desk’ interface,
    as it were, again.

    as you were…

    ;- )

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7880 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    velociraptor .... really old kiwi

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2605 posts Report Reply

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