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Hard News: The Hager saga continues

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  • linger, in reply to Howard Edwards,

    And who’s his “good and decent man” – the person lying to us all about needing new laws to stop terrorism being legal in NZ?
    A position so transparently untenable he’s since had to back down to: needing new laws to make terrorism more easily prosecutable.
    Because a speedier justice system, with more bias towards the prosecution, is always more just. Yeh, right.

    Tokyo • Since Apr 2007 • 1737 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Tom Semmens,

    Because for a long time there he clearly had lofty contacts […] with nauseating self-pity.

    But giving the benefit of the doubt, labouring under the assumption that Rosemary’s caught up with some of the news over the past two months, and bearing in mind the self-evident national interest in any allegations of wrongdoing by those other names mentioned in your first paragraph, why does Slater (still) warrant so much attention?

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2118 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    I must admit the revelation on nat radio this morning that Slater (spit) et al are in the process of starting their own agency sort of sent a shiver down my spine - it's an obvious ploy to try and control the press just a little bit more and to make the Nat's message the only one that many people hear

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2550 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    That’s obviously going to be an issue as long as he has audience with the MSM Paul, it’s hard to imagine how he could control the press any more than he already does.

    If for example Chopper Tasker from Waipawa were to set up a similar agency it probably wouldn’t get a look in, and that’s nothing to do with Chopper’s previous DUI conviction (113mg to 100ml); basically the media don’t know Chopper and won’t give Chopper the time of day. That revelation says more about the MSM than either Cam or Chopper, MSM pumping it out like Slim Dusty.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2118 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    I must admit the revelation on nat radio this morning that Slater (spit) et al are in the process of starting their own agency sort of sent a shiver down my spine

    I missed that. Is it online?

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2789 posts Report Reply

  • nzlemming, in reply to nzlemming,

    I must admit the revelation on nat radio this morning that Slater (spit) et al are in the process of starting their own agency sort of sent a shiver down my spine

    I missed that. Is it online?

    Ah, Freed. Right. I'll make a place for it, right next to the New Zealand Truth archive.

    Waikanae • Since Nov 2006 • 2789 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    In a genuine market they'd fail anyway. Toast as soon as their defenders are out of power (assuming the replacement would have to be competent by then). Suppose they could make a lot of hay in the next 6 years though..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19413 posts Report Reply

  • Alfie, in reply to nzlemming,

    I missed that. Is it online?

    http://www.donotlink.com/c1dk

    Nothing to see yet. Just a massive list of job vacancies which implies the head honcho sees himself as a journalist... or something.

    Dunedin • Since May 2014 • 1322 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to nzlemming,

    NBR has a piece, with some background info on Tony Lentino.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2118 posts Report Reply

  • Kumara Republic, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    I must admit the revelation on nat radio this morning that Slater (spit) et al are in the process of starting their own agency sort of sent a shiver down my spine - it's an obvious ploy to try and control the press just a little bit more and to make the Nat's message the only one that many people hear

    Sounds like what Breitbart has done in the States.

    The southernmost capital … • Since Nov 2006 • 5312 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    I see they are hiring "drone operators" - I wonder who they are planning on spying on - and how NZ law handles people who down invasions of their privacy

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2550 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    ...hiring “drone operators”

    Jason Ede has left the Beehive...

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7480 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    how NZ law handles people who down invasions of their privacy

    Details on new UAV rules are currently being worked. On Lentino, a pilot who owns a Helicopter rental company as well as Instra Corporation which has revenue of around $20 million, one may guess that given Slater’s bent, the privacy being invaded might involve traffic accidents. when people are too vulnerable to down anything.

    If none of the above, this has proved effective for generating chatter about Freed. Thank you National Radio and NBR.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2118 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    I wonder who they are planning on spying on

    The shrinking Violet? Judith the Collins

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • Paul Campbell,

    yes but those are for drone operators, all I really want to know is: can I borrow one of those helicopter live deer hunting gizmos, basically a shotgun that shoots a big ass net to capture Slater's (spit) drone if it's flying on my property and peeking in my bedroom window? and then tie its expensive camera to a honey badger and return it to its owner

    Dunedin • Since Nov 2006 • 2550 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Paul Campbell,

    Haha, Earlier last year David Beatson couldn’t find much legislation:

    Oh, and I can’t see anything at all in the CAA rules to protect the privacy of anyone on, or under, your flight path.

    As long as it’s not a police drone.

    The Privacy Commission says it is keeping an eye on the issue, and is applying its code for the use of CCTV footage to drones.

    Here are the Privacy and CCTV: guidelines (PDF):

    Under principle 3 of the Privacy Act, you need to make individuals aware that you are collecting their personal information and why. So you need to provide what is sometimes called a ‘collection notice’ or a ‘privacy notice’. A privacy notice will tell people:
    • that the information is being collected;

    • the purpose for which the information is being collected;

    • if you intend to pass the information on to others, and if so to whom;

    • your name and address;

    • whether the collection of the information is authorised or required under a particular law; and

    •the rights of the individual to access and correct the information.

    I doubt Fishface would have the courtesy to notify you, so my guess is that the courts may take quite a favorable view of badger action if it were Slater’s private drone. However, when they are conducting their news activities they are exempt from the privacy act, The Press Council, the Broadcasting Standards Authority and the courts govern the news media. End of the day Paul, if you don’t damage the equipment and the badger doesn’t damage the equipment, it sounds like good sport.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2118 posts Report Reply

  • Ben Austin, in reply to Kumara Republic,

    It really does, doesn't it.

    Although a Brietbart operation would be a vanity project in NZ, as I would suspect the revenue model would not support a for profit business. Not if it needs to sustain the level of staff/contractors they seem to be advertising for.

    If we assume say, one person per role (seems like it would be more), what level of advertising revenue would they need in order to justify 17 full or part time staff? I'd assume rather a lot.

    London • Since Nov 2006 • 1009 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green,

    Comment at NBR on Shearers "revelations" of dirty politics :-

    "Hey, let's back up from focusing on the Labour party for a minute and have a good look at what Shearer is saying. He is saying that they, Labour, are engaged in 'dirty politics'.

    Well, well, well. What a surprise? (Not). If we were blessed with true journalists, those with an enquiring mind, a sense of balance, a penchant for fairness, and enough integrity to give voice to their bias, then we would already know that.

    We would know that because those journalist blessed with those qualities would have reported this. With few exceptions, they didn't. And what I find incredibly disappointing is that this paper (NBR) did not stand up above the morass that we are daily served up in the main stream media, as they have in the past, but seemed to revel in slipping on the same muck covered logs as their main stream colleagues.

    The result of which, no one, and I mean no one, is coming out of this fiasco with any credibility. And that, I believe, is incredibly sad."

    It's legitimate to ask why anyone , including Hager , would bother to publish something that we all seem to take for granted anyway.

    They are politicians , right? Pure as driven snow . . yeah right.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 753 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Farmer Green,

    It’s legitimate to ask why anyone , including Hager , would bother to publish something that we all seem to take for granted anyway.

    They are politicians , right? Pure as driven snow . . yeah right.

    And farmers will always be history's malcontents. Whatever paces your stolid plod to the crematorium, Sunshine.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4512 posts Report Reply

  • Ian Dalziel,

    what is reality?
    While having a catch-up with someone yesterday, talk turned to politics and the election, as ya do, I was stunned by their vehement assertion that they hated Nicky Hager, so I had to ask if they had met him, or read his books - No & No - was the reply, 'so why do you hate him?' I ask, short answer, 'he's a stirrer' - this from someone I'd never picked for blinkered reactionary - gobsmacked am I .

    Why do people hate on folks who take on the thankless task of revealing unpleasant truths?

    </innocence>

    Christchurch • Since Dec 2006 • 7480 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    Good morning Joe . Did I say something inappropriate :-) ?
    Gauche perhaps? Or just plain ignorant?
    Malcontent? How so? [Use a broad brush in reply . . . if possible :-) ]

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 753 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to Ian Dalziel,

    Why do people hate on folks who take on the thankless task of revealing unpleasant truths?

    You mean folks like David Shearer ?

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 753 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green,

    Are there any indications that the Green Party is having a review of its electoral performance?
    Given the widely-shared concern over the state of the NZ environment, I find it most interesting that the Greens lost traction, but perhaps the conspicuous silence that has prevailed since election night simply means that the Greens deal with these matters "in-house".

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 753 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie, in reply to Farmer Green,

    Malcontent? How so? [Use a broad brush in reply . . . if possible :-) ]

    If you're going to cliche-stereotype all politicians - which I agree can be tempting on a bad day - then why shouldn't other callings be equally damned?

    Seriously FG, you declined a guest spot here, which is of course your privilege. Personally I was disappointed because once you got over posting in the 3rd person you made a heap of sense. I'm more than a little disappointed that you've succumbed to passing off what seems like stage of life cynicism as salt of the earth wisdom. Get well soon, ffs.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4512 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green,

    Yeah nah you could be right Joe.
    I was just having the same thought myself : maybe I’m too cynical.
    Hearing loud volleys of heavy cannon (like . . thunderous) at 6 a.m. this morning , reverberating around P.N. and environs , I was fully prepared to witness flights of noisy Iriquois choppers , plus anything else that might possibly be airworthy, all designed to remind the population that we are a nation at WAR.
    “We must have stronger anti-terrorist legislation and a seat on the Security Council”

    Cynical . . . much?

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 753 posts Report Reply

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