Hard News by Russell Brown

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  • Farmer Green, in reply to Joe Wylie,

    Except that Betham never got to do half the damage that Muldoon did.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Farmer Green,

    That doesn’t sound like the Tariana Turia that I know. Too much testosterone in the new leadership?

    Willie Jackson discussed in on Marae this morning.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to Jack Harrison,

    All you talk about is keeping an economic status quo,

    Was that addressed to me Jack?
    If so, I’ll say that the status quo is not an option in my book. NZ was lucky that the Chinese suddenly wanted a whole lot of milk powder. That’s all over now.
    We are back where we started ; deep in debt as nation, and running deficits.
    If it was your business doing that , what would you do?

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite,

    A lot of analysis seems to me to be about spherical cows. It's an old joke: a theoretical physicist loses his job at a university and gets a job on a dairy farm. Missing the common room discussions, he decides to hold a seminar in the milk shed and puts up a whiteboard. On it he draws a circle and begins, "Consider the qualities of a spherical cow..."

    Is it worthwhile debating policies from the viewpoint of the theoretical physicist as if they were perfect objects in a frictionless vacuum? Is it worthwhile to assume that everyone else thinks the same way?

    The public may have been wrong, but don't call them stupid or deluded. They on the whole may have voted intuitively and I think that a major factor was the perception of competence.

    "Vote for me, I'll make the sun shine every day," says candidate X. What kind of fool wouldn't vote for candidate X? The kind of fool who asks "How?"

    For the last six years Labour was was a fratricidal, jealous, self-absorbed rabble of prima donnas that was simply not fit to govern - and it was no secret, because they assiduously leaked it to every journalist who would listen... and so they listened, and the electorate listened.

    Nice picture of a cow though, very creative.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to Russell Brown,

    Russell , I assume that almost EVERYTHING that I hear or read in the MSM is a consequence of what someone is doing on someone else's behalf. There are very few , if any honest brokers ; it is all just entertainment.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • Sam F,

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1609 posts Report Reply

  • Andre,

    A fundamental problem seems to be the fractured left-wing progressive vote. A grand alliance of the parties now with three years to work out how it could achieve the main changes in direction needed would seem the best chance of winning some of those swinging seats next time. It would involve some mainstreaming but I doubt Cunliffe, Harawira, Turei et al can argue too much on which of the current problems are the most pressing generically. If they formulated shared policy responses to problems like child poverty, increasing house prices, a lack of new jobs, the destruction of our waterways, increasing inequality and increasing foreign ownership of New Zealand, and put up one candidate in each electorate with a combined message they would definitely get a better result. The other million kiwis who were missing may never get engaged enough to show up. Merging into one party and sharing resources would make it a lot harder for the right-wingers to scaremonger too. No more 'Internet Mana and/or the Greens are mad' hopefully. It is sad to think that none of these issues will be addressed and that in 3 years all of the stats around these problems (well, those that National bother collecting) will only get worse. The third that vote National to protect their house prices will continue to do so unfortunately. They're making $83k a year on their houses on average. Untaxed. I suppose a vote for the Nats is a bit like saying 'Screw the kids and the environment - where's the money?' Maybe this just needs to be made more obvious?

    New Zealand • Since May 2009 • 364 posts Report Reply

  • Amanda Wreckonwith,

    For the last six years Labour was was a fratricidal, jealous, self-absorbed rabble of prima donnas that was simply not fit to govern – and it was no secret, because they assiduously leaked it to every journalist who would listen… and so they listened, and the electorate listened.

    Yup. So much this.

    Since Sep 2012 • 171 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to Kracklite,

    For the last six years Labour was was a fratricidal, jealous, self-absorbed rabble of prima donnas that was simply not fit to govern

    It might be that simple ; there was no viable opposition.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Amanda Wreckonwith,

    Ok found it:

    Treatment of Gains at Death: Capital gains on inheritance passed on after death will be rolled over to the heir, and not payable until the gain on the asset is realised.

    So basically when a family member dies and leave something of their life’s work to their offspring, Labour wanted to slip in there and skim some off the top when they sell it. I can’t for the life of me understand the ethical position. It’s a death tax. Avoidable by selling your family home in that briefest moment before you issue your last breath. How could that not have been a winner? Anyone give a sh#t?

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • BenWilson, in reply to Farmer Green,

    Except that Betham never got to do half the damage that Muldoon did.

    What damage did Beetham do? He was never even in Government. Do you mean he split the National vote and that was somehow a bad thing?

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 10650 posts Report Reply

  • Katharine Moody, in reply to Amanda Wreckonwith,

    There will be the odd commentator that will spout the usual ‘don’t ever write Winston off’

    Point is, unless he performs in opposition on this issue (and thankfully Ron Mark got back in with his Parliamentary experience as well) then we might as well write democracy off. That was pretty much what Dame Beverley expressed the other day as well. So, Dirty Politics must be sorted. And it will be.

    Wellington • Since Sep 2014 • 798 posts Report Reply

  • Chris Waugh, in reply to Farmer Green,

    NZ was lucky that the Chinese suddenly wanted a whole lot of milk powder. That’s all over now.

    Yup. The sheen has been coming off imported milk powder for some time now, with a bit of assistance from Fonterra, Sutton Group, and others in NZ. It's fortunate that NZ has so incredibly dominated the imported dairy sector in China and that China is so bloody huge - and that the local dairy companies still haven't persuaded anybody to trust them. Yet.

    But a big economic question NZ has been facing for a while now, although the government hasn't been facing up to, is which economic baskets to redistribute our eggs into? I see no reason to trust National to even notice this question, let alone do anything about it.

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 2401 posts Report Reply

  • Lucy Telfar Barnard, in reply to BenWilson,

    Awesome, thanks Ben. I’ll see if I can do better on the 2011 estimate as well, working from their 2011 base estimates

    Wellington • Since Nov 2006 • 585 posts Report Reply

  • Jack Harrison, in reply to Farmer Green,

    One: Economies are not comparable to a business. Economies are huge macro-money systems often influenced by the wild winds of world trading.

    Two: We are relying on the U.S to start reheating the world economy. The U.S economy is being held back from it huge capital potential by a congress that is not supporting the final part of the economic salvage package, a package that was literally thrown at the U.S national economy to keep it alive. We are waiting on others.

    We are quite capable of stimulating our own economy through increased taxation and more spending, something the U.S will have to do at some time with a decent congress. So we can put more jobs in our economy, increase the tax base, put much needed better public services in our economy, basically through taxation of wealthier citizens.

    Three: Our business community needs to be understood and drilled down to productive industries and how they contribute to the wealth of the country as oppossed to mature business grinding out hard to find yearly profits.

    We are in a recessive world economy and everyone must take the strain, not just the battered poor.

    wellington • Since Aug 2014 • 296 posts Report Reply

  • izogi, in reply to Farmer Green,

    I assume that almost EVERYTHING that I hear or read in the MSM is a consequence of what someone is doing on someone else’s behalf. There are very few , if any honest brokers ; it is all just entertainment.

    Have you read the book?

    Wellington • Since Jan 2007 • 1139 posts Report Reply

  • Amanda Wreckonwith, in reply to mark taslov,

    I'm from the UK. We had death duty. We also had CGT.
    Sky didn't fall in.
    It helped finance the Welfare State.
    It made British society more equal than it ever had been in history.
    Now UK is run by neocon drones.
    These taxes will be abolished soon.
    Welcome to our world.

    Since Sep 2012 • 171 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov, in reply to Amanda Wreckonwith,

    I’m from the UK

    Enough said. I appreciate your perspective, but I couldn’t rightly call people shits for not voting for that. We are but farmers of men, much less money in NZ. But no harm done hopefully, sorry if I got at you. Never underestimate Winston ;) Do however underestimate the accountability of our Government.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to Andre,

    child poverty, increasing house prices, a lack of new jobs, the destruction of our waterways, increasing inequality and increasing foreign ownership of New Zealand,

    Assuming , that is , that those are the issues which are going to press the electorate's buttons ; they are mostly not new issues, and neither National nor Labour could claim to be the saviour, even if these were the vital issues for voters.
    If the choices are :- throwing more money at the problem, or
    claiming to be achieving better value for the same money

    then in the current climate the electorate appears inclined to the second.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to izogi,

    No.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to BenWilson,

    Sorry Ben I didn't mean that he ever did any. I never did get what he was on about.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • Marianne Elliott,

    I think we’ll have to be the check, Russell. And by we I mean you, me and everyone reading and commenting here. I mean the independent media and – my part of the puzzle – a massive, unified movement of progressive citizens taking smart, effective action to hold the government to account. ActionStation was born because of what we’d seen GetUp achieve in Australia, LeadNow in Canada and 38Degrees in the UK – all under conservative governments. Tomorrow morning we’ll be organising and doing what needs to be done to become both a gathering and rallying point for the many progressive NZers who want to come together and take meaningful action to hold the government to account – and you can bet education will be on the agenda.

    New Zealand • Since Sep 2014 • 6 posts Report Reply

  • Matthew Poole, in reply to Katharine Moody,

    So, Dirty Politics must be sorted. And it will be.

    We hope. What, exactly, can the Privileges Committee do to MPs who misbehaved in a previous term? Particularly when the PC is going to be heavy with caucus colleagues of the MPs who are before it, and the Speaker is likely to also be from that Party.

    If National were in Opposition, or at least running a proper minority government, we might get somewhere. But they're not, and they're not, so I have very little hope that we'll actually get anywhere at all. Key is not going to convene a Royal Commission that might end up finding that he knew pretty much everything about pretty much everything and lied through his teeth about it to all and sundry.

    Auckland • Since Mar 2007 • 4097 posts Report Reply

  • Farmer Green, in reply to Chris Waugh,

    Right now , Fonterra can't get enough organic milk powder for the U.S. infant formula market, but you can't say that we are not quick on our feet.

    Lower North Island • Since Nov 2012 • 776 posts Report Reply

  • Sanya Baker, in reply to TracyMac,

    Stop throwing each other under the bus, and get back to "power to the people". ALL the people.

    +1

    Tamaki Makaurau • Since Dec 2011 • 10 posts Report Reply

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