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  • Islander,

    Yup Giovanni -the manipulation isnt rational - even if it may be conscious...do we have *so much* to learn about the ways our brains work?
    Do we ever-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite,

    Likewise, Giovanni and Islander, seconded and thirded.

    Sweeping judgments just aren't going to work. They're not even the bloody point.

    And Kerry, if your son doesn't say that he loves you now out of shyness, I'm sure that he does, and will say so soon enough and mean it from the bottom of his heart. And as for your brother, I don't know about your family, but mine being taciturn Scots, we often don't say things and that isn't always good, but then sometimes we don't need to either - so maybe there's something that's implicitly known that just needs a little nudge to bring it out into the open? Best of luck.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    TV really do's have a dumbing down affect.

    yeah, most certainly. Also, not so down with conspiracies. It's seems the whole education and socialization machine drive us conformingly to take a gander, to speculate and judge based generally on the standards defined by a justice system rooted heavily in popular current interpretations of the leading religious edicts of the age. So often the more enlightened athiests and agnostics still seem to do nothing to obviate this system of judgement and arbitrary morality.

    So for my part as a judge, and speculating ganderer, I'm most shocked that in terms of sentencing Vietch seems to be receiving a lesser sentence than say some gardner guilty of cultivating some psychoactive plant cannabis satiric.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    translated to english "i am not know"

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    Take a moment to enjoy family/friend closeness; music; food/wine(whatever!); good air - maybe it's salt? Flower-enriched?
    Evening bird song. Any beauty about you. Your computer - even if it isnt a Mac :) Kia ora tatou-

    sound thoughts Islander. with respect.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Sofie Bribiesca,

    Can we start a campaign for TV3 to can their 60 Minutes programme on this as well? I saw a promo for it last night that looked like a promo for a State of Origin match or something.

    Your wish may be granted. The ad for 60 mins appears to have disappeared/changed.

    here and there. • Since Nov 2007 • 6796 posts Report Reply

  • cloudwalker,

    The more I hear of this Tony veitch story the more I think of Johnny Rotten: Public Image,You got what you wanted,Its the Public Image that alters me,My entrance,My own creation,my grand finally,my good-bye.Public Image

    New Zealand • Since Apr 2009 • 4 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite,

    ...and a footnote.

    I was discussing anorexia with an ex-friend (someone whom I am glad is in such a category) and he made the crass remark, 'And whose fault is that?'

    The damned fool. As if it was a zero-sum game in which the blame had to be assigned somewhere; if it wasn't in one person's corner, the obviously it had to be another. No, not at all. Sometimes keeping score is a way of missing the point.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    How to put satirists out of a job, part 138:

    Pail Holmes in the Herald on Sunday:

    I will say this too. A radio breakfast guy on a Sunday night is nervous and tense, no matter how long he has been doing the job and no matter how successfully. A radio breakfast man on a Sunday night is getting ready to lose his freedom for five days.

    A radio breakfast guy like Veitch, who was struggling with his breakfast job and finding it much more difficult than he had thought he would, as Veitch was at the time, is especially tense on a Sunday night. Sunday night is not a night to have a fight with a breakfast man.

    I do not excuse anything in saying this. It is just the way it is.

    Unbelievable. Unreal. Except ... it isn't.

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1328 posts Report Reply

  • simon g,

    Auckland • Since Nov 2006 • 1328 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Oh come on. Seriously?

    In making his guilty plea, Veitch has made a deal with fate. Not wanting to wait an eternity for justice, he has decided to admit guilt in one instance. In doing so, he can now speak. And also in doing so, he spared the young woman weeks of harrowing disclosure. Her dignity is preserved.

    In making the guilty plea, he earns dignity himself. This should not be forgotten.

    Uh huh. And apparently the only thing wrong with tampering with evidence is.. getting caught, messily.

    I wonder, too, about the wisdom of altering the character references in court. It has merely prolonged the story and left an untidy end.

    Loyalty is one thing but just how did this plonker even make it through journalism school?

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19705 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    Mind you, he does have perfect ethics for a career in politics. Oh look, his column goes on to talk about the new supercity mayoralty..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19705 posts Report Reply

  • Kerry Weston,

    Kia ora, Islander, Kracklite for your thoughts. Yeah, my lot are reserved and all kinda twisted up inside, too, with the effort it takes.

    Only one more thing to say - it interests me how we respond to the phrase "looking for attention" as in "you're just looking for attention" usually spoken in contemptuous tones. Is it that old kiwi thing of it being virtuous not to seek the limelight still operating?

    However someone expresses it, by seeking attention, it surely means they're missing something they need. It may not even be the thing they're fussing about. i still hear parents tell their children not to show off and stop looking for attention. When we all so much need to be attended to.

    I think this is a big part of what's making us so fascinated in spite of ourselves in mr Veitch.

    Manawatu • Since Jan 2008 • 494 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Well, now we know what Holmes thinks eternity is.
    2 years.

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Ben McNicoll,

    I would say this: his performance on Close Up on Thursday night in his interview with Mark Sainsbury, resurrected Tony Veitch. Tony suddenly became the most interesting man on New Zealand television. It was a gripping, edge-of-the-seat watch.

    I am quite religious, though not in a churchy sense, and here is what I actually think this whole thing has been about. I think that last year, with Tony on the verge of becoming the major New Zealand television presence, God said: "No, no, Tony. Not yet. There is something that has to be paid for. You have to pay for it and it's up to you to find your way back." I think Tony Veitch will find his way back.

    - Paul Holmes

    That goes way beyond apologist...

    God made him do it?

    Grey Lynn • Since May 2007 • 115 posts Report Reply

  • Mrs Skin,

    Well, now we know what Holmes thinks eternity is.
    2 years.

    One does rather feel as though one has endured several eternities of Holmes.

    the warmest room in the h… • Since Feb 2009 • 168 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    Holmes is not an apologist: he really thinks what he thinks is what ANZ thinks.
    Holmes is kore, passe, gone, hadit-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Sacha,

    And yet still infesting our screens and newspapers..

    Ak • Since May 2008 • 19705 posts Report Reply

  • Islander,

    For MUCH less than his kind of eternity I trust-

    Big O, Mahitahi, Te Wahi … • Since Feb 2007 • 5643 posts Report Reply

  • Joe Wylie,

    :

    I am quite religious, though not in a churchy sense, and here is what I actually think this whole thing has been about. I think that last year, with Tony on the verge of becoming the major New Zealand television presence, God said: "No, no, Tony. Not yet. There is something that has to be paid for. You have to pay for it and it's up to you to find your way back." I think Tony Veitch will find his way back.
    - Paul Holmes

    Thus saith one of the anointed, signalling his intention to, once a sub-eternal period of penance has passed, offer a hand-up back into the tacky Valhalla.

    Between this and Jack Ross's icky "poem" linked to earlier, the vast spectrum of towering smugness generated by the Passion of the Veitch is truly a-fucking-stounding.

    flat earth • Since Jan 2007 • 4592 posts Report Reply

  • steven crawford,

    Veitch is genuinely remorseful. I would say this: his performance on Close Up on Thursday night in his interview with Mark Sainsbury, resurrected Tony Veitch. Tony suddenly became the most interesting man on New Zealand television. It was a gripping, edge-of-the-seat watch.
    - Paul Holmes

    These paragraphs are demented. This one says allot about Holmes's outlook on living beings.

    Atlantis • Since Nov 2006 • 4411 posts Report Reply

  • Kracklite,

    Holmes:

    Bozhe moi!

    Simon, I see - as Tom Lehrer said when Kissinger got a Nobel Peace Prize, satire is redundant.

    The Library of Babel • Since Nov 2007 • 982 posts Report Reply

  • Brent Ericson,

    So, a "trial by public opinion" is the great bogeyman we should be worrying about? I would think that breaking a woman's back, lying about it and leaking her private emails to the press to discredit her in order to save face would be, you know, *slightly* more objectionable. I mean, yeah, I can abstractly be sensitive for a person who has fallen so low in the public eye, but it's his very celebrity status and money that are keeping out of jail. Also, Tony: Paul Holmes, to use channel my Southern Protestant background, did some spiritual testifyin' on your behalf! Not everybody can say that...

    Straight Outta Oratia • Since Apr 2009 • 2 posts Report Reply

  • mark taslov,

    So, a "trial by public opinion" is the great bogeyman we should be worrying about?

    There's no need to worry Brent, as I attempted to elucidate; the system that necessitates the "trial" with its capitalist imperatives is the root cause of the issue. It's unwise to overlook the fact that the victim was paid off to avoid a"trial by public opinion" delaying the course of justice for a significant period.

    Te Ika-a-Māui • Since Mar 2008 • 2281 posts Report Reply

  • Danielle,

    If I believed in such things as 'The End Times', Paul Holmes being a vessel for the Word of God would surely be a sign of them. Just... WTF, dude?

    (Also, hi Brent. I didn't know you read PAS. I thought listening to me ranting about it on a daily basis would have put you off. :) )

    Charo World. Cuchi-cuchi!… • Since Nov 2006 • 3828 posts Report Reply

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